Originally Posted by
bcrosier
Let's see....perhaps it's the fact that you haven't worked for one, and based on your total time I'm guessing you don't have much time in a larger/faster aircraft designed for a crew rather than a single pilot. There is a difference, and until you've done some of it in busy airspace and crappy weather it's hard to appreciate. It's not brain surgery, but there is a difference - I think a many on here take offense that you would presume to really understand what we're talking about without having real experience in it.
You of course realize that you are coming off with the same attitude here...
Here you are showing your lack of understanding of crew operations. There is NO PLACE for nonsense like this in the cockpit. Yeah it sounds tough and cool in all of the old movies and novels - but it is very detrimental to crew interaction and safety.
And I saw a dog who could play the slide whistle. The exception doesn't disprove the rule. I really doubt you've seen too many guys with limited hours with better decision making skills and abilities than higher time pilot - they may have a easier time making a decision, but that may well be because they have less information to draw on and less options to consider. As a friend of a friend put it: "I've found the more ignorant you are about something the simpler it seems."
Really? What industries do you have experience in? I'm pretty sure the medical professions are off of your list...
Yeah, they're real eager to spend more money in lieu of executive bonuses. Besides, you can't make up for experience with a couple more hours of sim time.
I have no difficulty respecting anyone who deserves respect (meaning they aren't just a crappy person - regardless of their flight time). I actually have no problem with a low time pilot in a turboprop or jet - I myself was rather low time when I started flying corporate part-time in turboprops and jets. I don't blame the pilots for accepting the positions - as you said, I'd have done so too had the opportunity presented itself. My issue isn't with the individuals, but with a system which allowed this to occur. That said, I do have an issue with those who have the attitude that they are entitled to an airline job at 300 hours (and I recognize you aren't one of them).
Well i do have to say that just because i have not worked 121 does not mean i dont have knowledge of the industry which is what that comment was directed at, I do have plenty of knowledge of the airline industry and how it works, my fiancee's father is a 13 year captain at US Air and rest assure i have picked his brain beyond belief, However i do not claim to have knowledge of first hand in cockpit experience in the 121 world but again that was not what that comment was directed at.
I apologize if i am coming across snide to anyone but those who have disrespected me and others like me.
I do not have much experience in crew operations, i did a CRM course and the CRJ Course at ATP that is the only experience i have with CRM however what i am talking about when i say hazing i more directed at pre-flight operations and post flight operations, i would never condone hazing during flight. Perhaps hazing isnt the right word, what i am referring to is making the FO work a bit harder at his duties.
You are correct that as a general rule the more experienced pilot makes better decisions, i was simply stating that its not like that 100% of the time so generalizing 250 hour pilots into a group of "to hot to touch know it all wonder boys" shouldnt be the norm on this site, which it is and thats what im trying to change.
I have personal experience in Marketing, Firefighting, and Flying. My family has experience in just about everything from construction to investing to medical fields to the professional sports field. While i cant 100% comment on those industries except those i have personally been involved with my comment on them was "this is the ONLY industry >i have seen< where newbies are constantly degraded and expected not to complain when they are" So i did state that this is based on personal experience and not at all a fact based on all industries. However i would like to take this chance to post a retraction on that sentence in that i generalized more than i am comfortable with in it. I do see this problem in this industry more than others but i do not wish to depict all pilots in the industry with this problem.
Your company not spending more on training is a problem that only you company can fix, its not the FO in the right seat's fault that he is not 100% prepared for the position he is in. And while i agree a few more hours of sim time wont make a huge difference it couldnt hurt. Especially if the said pilot has 250 hours...
Your last point hit the nail on the head. That is what i am trying to get across here, These pilots should focus on the flawed system rather than the low time pilots that the system pulls in. There is not 1 aspiring professional pilot that would turn down that first regional offer regardless of hours. Focus instead on those who would offer the position. I stated earlier and think we are in agreement, 250 hour guys simply arent ready for 121 ops, there is no argument for them to say they are but that in no way gives higher time pilots a right to degrade them. Thats all im fighting for here.
