Originally Posted by
USMCFLYR
It really bothers you that much huh??
You wanted a profession that has a similiar name?
How about EVERY 2ndLt/ENS in the entire US Military being called a 'Butter Bar' then?
Somehow - most of us get through it.
So does the term newbie or rookie get under your skin that much too?
In all the firefighter shows I've seen - it seems that 'Probie' is always used. Did they have a name for a guy in your station that was still on probation?
I think that this seems to have hit a nerve with you and you have seized the opportunity to come on a forum and engage in conversation with people who have ALL GONE through it, or MUCH worse, and come out the other side none the worse.
It is an industry term asmins. If you want to be part of the industry, maybe you need to embrace the monikers a little more and continue to work to dry the ink on your certificates.
If this still bothers you to such an extent that you are unable to cope with it, check out the article posted under the 'Callsign Controversy' thread in the military and see what type of internet reputation you are starting to build for yourself.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/mi...ntroversy.html
If you want to get the most out of this forum, it might be a better tactic to pick worthy battles to fight and let some aviation terms come and go as they may. This seems to be a case of making a mountain out of molehill and it seems to be taking some of the fun out participation for you in my opinion; but to each his own.
USMCFLYR
I was called a probie at the fire hall
No newbie or rookie does not bother me.
Long standing traditional nick-names like in the military would not bother me, we have nicknames at the firehall, my nick-name is "Super Sims" one poor bastards nickname is "pooter" apperently he has a gas problem and on his first duty night while sneezing he had a bit of a release, whilte i didnt name him i do find the name funny and yes i refer to him as pooter, hell he refers to him self as pooter. If he were ever to complain about this name after some hazing we would stop. But this is a slight difference, if it were my nickname "250 hour wonder" i might take if differently than being generalized into a group of people that you dont want to be a part of. 250 hour wonder ist only meant to compair you to know it all low timers.
Perhaps the biggest difference in a military nick name or fire hall nick name is that the guys calling you this name would most certainly put their lives on the line to save your butt if they had to, There is a level of brotherly love in these fields and you learn to love it. Unfortunatly the pilot comunity is lacking there and this is not a nick name situation but more of a degrading term.
250 hour wonder is in its essence a disrespectful phrase meant to refer to a low time pilot who thinks he knows it all but in reality knows very little (correct me if im wrong) I am here speaking for those of us who who do not think or feel that way, i expect to pay my dues,i know im not ready for 121 ops right now but i get generalized every time i post my hours or ask a question about them. It gets old.
Thank you for your advice though, and after talking to others like yourself i have realized that this argument is somewhat of a dead horse in that some of these old guys are stuck in their ways and will not be moved on the subject while i think it is not the appropriate way to refer to a low time new 121 pilot, i doubt someone of my stature will have any roll in pruseading people to not use those phrases.
In that respect i will kindly step aside of this argument and leave with this.
Us low time guys are working hard for our dreams, Encouragement would go much further for us than reading about how you dislike the industry and how low time guys are "wet behind the ears 250 hour wonders" I would encourage any pilot who uses logic in their posts to refrane from using remarks such as those when speaking to a low time pilot, As these pilots are or soon will be co-workers and co-professional pilots, we are on the same team but just at different stages in the career. Try to show respect as you would like to be respected.
Sorry for all that i may have offended during these posts, This is somewhat of a touchy subject for me as you can tell.