Originally Posted by
flyguy26
Question about the 17 hr duty days on the last day with DHs. If this is true and you are going over 16hrs duty, aren't you violating FAR 121.471b? It requires that you have the min rest of at least 8 hrs in the previous 24 hrs upon the completion of your day. And it also says that DH is not considered part of the rest time. So in a 24 hr period you worked 16, then had 8 left over for 'rest' you couldn't go over 16 because it would put you below 8 hrs of rest in 24 which is in violation of the FARs. And thats not just on the company, but on you also.
The FAR doesn't say anything about the end of your duty period... It mentions only the "completion of any flight segment."
Originally Posted by FAR121.471(b)
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule a flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time during the 24 consecutive hours preceding the scheduled completion of any flight segment without a scheduled rest period during that 24 hours of at least the following:
At Piedmont, our contact limits our day to 19 hours from the start of the on-call period; in practice, however, we have been allowed to refuse anything that goes past 16 hours.
Other terms for Piedmont:
*10 days off/month, generally 4/2/2/2, with the 4-day break being "golden"
*Call out of 75, 90, or 120 minutes, depending on base
*4 hour minimum day, averaged over the trip (i.e. a 3 day trip pays at least 12 hours, though the individual days can pay less than 4, such as 2 hours day 1, 5 hours each days 2 and 3)
*4 hour pay for deadhead only day, not averaged with the rest of a trip
*14 hour on call periods, assigned daily by scheduling. In practice, all reserve periods end at 7pm, except 4am starts, which end at 6pm. A reserve assigned a 10am on call will be on call only 9 hours, until 7pm.
*DH paid 50%
*No airport reserve
*Remain on call after a trip is assigned until report time, but not required to answer the phone after reporting
*If a trip is assigned the day before, you're still on call at 5am before the trip unless told otherwise. Often assigned something like "On call at 0800, report at 0945"
*Can force-move reserve days a few times per year
*72 guarantee