Okay, you win. I'm done. This is my last post. But I will leave all my previous posts up for comparison for when the TA is announced. I truly was trying to help by offering some critical insight that your union nor management will provide - a very important frame of reference. Despite all your cynicism and criticism, I wish you and this pilot group the best of luck. You are about to get a good contract, but not nearly what you could have had. Time will tell. I've got more important fish to fry. BTW, SoCal's claim that ALPA does not negotiate in public. What do you call the recent "public" statement from ALPA demanding all scope restored. Is that not negotiating in public. Funny how that coincided with the DOJ approval. You think they'd publicly demand that and the JCBA not have it. How would you expect anyone to vote for it, not to mention how demoralizing a defeat that would appear to be for ALPA. I've said all along that scope restoration is a done deal. But I'm done from here out. Just act really surprised when the TA is out and if you want a really good contract just vote no and you'll get a real contract by the end of the year. Cheers.