I am laughing at the APC L and G role reversal caused by pushing without numbers.

Since this subject is all IMO I'll toss a few in

IMO this came from the top of the food chain because of our crappy on time performance. It should surprise no one, because we were also doing speed ups enroute rather than Econ cruise. That is an indication to me that On Time is going to be trumping Save Gas for the near future. Maybe that will change after the kinks get worked out as we move to the old fNW procedure. Guaranteed to be kinks anytime you move that many pilots from one procedure to something completely different (insert best John Cleese impression here). Remember that the top of the food chain saw this procedure work extremely well at a previous company.

Numbers while moving - happened all the time in a previous life. On certain airplanes the capability is there to automatically uplink the TO data straight into FMS, requiring verification, but no finger punching. THink how nice it would be to have both Flight Plan and performance data uplinked automagically into the FMS/MCDU. Maybe we can get them to reactivate the ACARS logging of TO and LDGs too... Can't speak for DC-9 guys, I don't know how to use an abacus.

I tell guys that IT is in the middle of a three year upgrade process and that by the end of the upgrade IMO our Flt Ops procedures will be a lot closer to fNW than to fDL. I started the IT upgrade clock in Jan 2010 so my target window is Jan 2013. We will see if that holds up as a good prediction.

Biz Class seating - If you are going to call yourself a premier airline, then you are competing with Singapore. Nuff said.

Pay for enroute divert - I think iceman asked this question because fNW you were paid for the entire time you were on the ground at your divert station if passengers were NOT offered a chance to deplane into the terminal. Kinda made sense, we were responsible for them from push until they deplaned, we got paid that way.

Spygate - No more PMs going out until I see the contents of the Council 1 minutes and Company announcement. Sorry, I don't want to get in trouble with e-mails. I'd like to see stuff in writing and if there is any "obfuscation."