I'll try this again....

You don't even have to assume that mainline pilots care about the regional guys below them, all you have to do is assume they care about THEMSELVES... and we KNOW they do that.

Let's say UAL didn't grow 1 pilot since 2000, but also didn't outsource any flying jobs to regional carriers. I'd be 70% up the list. As it stands, I'm 50% up the list. And I've got it GOOD compared to people below me. Our 747-400 fleet is substantially smaller than it used to be. That's not good for ANYBODY unless you are in the top 100 or so. Those guys might not care, but they are also going to be in the VAST minority when it comes time to vote. I'd estimate 95% of our pilots have been negatively impacted to some degree by the outsourcing of UAL jobs to our regional, code-share, and now international revenue share partners. I'm telling you right now that there are MORE pilots at UAL than not that wouldn't vote for a relaxed scope than would, regardless of how much of a pay raise is involved. Even I can't understand what I just said. All you need is 50% +1. I'm halfway up the list, and you could give me a 100% payraise, and if scope was relaxed, I'd vote no. You think anyone JUNIOR to me would vote for that deal?? No way. Now, how MUCH scope needs to be tightened to get it to pass is the big question. All regional flying done in house? Get rid of all 70 seaters? Cap the 70 seaters where they are? Allow Aer Lingus to keep growing in IAD? That is where the negotiation is going to be. Trust me, relaxing scope is a complete non-starter, regardless of the money.