Originally Posted by
gettinbumped
Huh? Are we talking about the same thing here? Now that the proposed rules are out, and closely mirror the ALPA proposal, let's take an example shall we?
IAD-BRU. Leaves around 5PM, so max duty un-augmented is 13 hours and 10 hours (ridiculous) of flight time. No problem.
BRU-IAD. Time change is 6 hours. Scheduled departure is 12 noon, or 6 AM body clock time. Showtime is 1.5 prior, so 4:30AM. Flight time is 8:15, so illegal for 2 pilots.
But what if UAL moves the departure back to 12:30, which still easily feeds the bank in IAD? Then the show time is 5AM, which allows for 9 hours of flight time and 11 hours of duty, both easily accomplished. Do you think UAL would move the departure time back 30 min if it meant saving a pilot?? Hell, the thing left at 12:37 today and will have no problem with connections. Most Europe destinations will now be doable with 2 pilots with minor schedule tweaking.
Thanks ALPA. How many more mainline jobs is this going to cost?
If you take a look at the footnotes on page 43 it explains why there are two charts there. One is from the industry, one is from ALPA.
Take a look at page 44, ALPA is proposing a maximum of 8 in the situation you described.
It is going to come down to the comment section on what is the final rule.