Originally Posted by
gettinbumped
Are you talking about longevity raises with this 1%, or does the entire graph go up 1% per year? Or a better way to ask, once you get to year 12 (or whatever year you top out at), do you get an additional 1% year raise?
Pay is all about pattern bargaining between carriers. I don't know of an airline out there that doesn't have longevity increases, so I wouldn't consider that a "raise". Just my opinion, but you really SHOULD argue about the semantics of what a "raise" means. A 1% per year raise means that your buying power will be less 5 years from now than it is today.
You can bash unions all you want, but you benefit from the work they do.
Here is the pay proposal:
CRJ and EMB CA: base rate increase of 1.5% effective immediately
CRJ 700 Block Hour Override (BHO) from 5% to 6%
CRJ 900 BHO from 5% to 8%
CRJ FO: base rate increase of 1% effective immediately
FO CRJ and EMB Scale increased from 7 to 8 year max
EMB FO: base rate increase of 5% effective immediately.
ALL PILOTS:
Additional 1% increase on Jan 1, 2012
Additional 1% increase on Jan 1, 2013
Again, to repeat prior posted information. These pay increases are NOT contractual. We can take the money today and still vote in a UNION tomorrow. We can ask for 20% more money tomorrow. We can ask for 50% more money tomorrow.
Respectfully, a longevity increase is in fact a pay "raise". You may disagree and that is fine. The largest other "raises" I have received in aviation came
1) when I moved from the right seat of a Twin Otter, to the left seat of a Twin Otter.
2) when I moved from the right seat of a CRJ to the left seat of a CRJ.
3) my next big pay raise will hopefully come when I move from the left seat of a CRJ to the right seat of a Boeing made product.
This is the reality of the industry I choose to work in. Nobody is holding a gun to my head. If I want management pay, I should apply for a job in management.
From a purely economic perspective, without any consideration for other reasons why a person may want to work for a specific airline, if I want to get paid drastically more to fly airplanes I need to go get a job at a company that pays more for that service I can provide because the ECONOMICS of that business model permit those compensation levels.
Minor league baseball players will never be compensated major league salaries. Flame away folks, I could care less.
For the record, I am not bashing unions, I am only bashing ALPA. If you like them great. I am not marginalizing their accomplishments. But I strongly oppose their current incarnation.
As a side note, I can't stand the American Trial Lawyers Association either, but to be quite honest, I credit their work with as much effect on the reforms and airline industry improvements over the years as ALPA. Nothing motivates airline management more than the threat of or actual cost of multi-million dollar tort liability and possibility of ruined corporate brand names.