Most pinnacle guys seem to be completely jaded when it comes to getting anything good from their management...mesaba guys seem to be a bit more optimistic about having negotiating capital in the fact that management can't really start consolidating management, ridding themselves of property and extra maintenance facilities, and General ops people until we have a contract and SLI...I hope that the money they could save starting sooner than later would be motivation for them to give us a little more pie....