Originally Posted by
scrapdog
So, what exactly are you saying, your statement is pretty vague? Are you saying their "consideration" should be going above active guys on the CAL seniority list?
And how exactly does the fact YOUR management ******ed the UAL furloughed guys over have anything to do with any pilot's careers at CAL; i.e. why is it justified for a CAL flyer to be punished because Tilton furloughed a UAL guy 3 years ago - well prior to the May 2010 announcement? I'm not saying this in jest, I really want to know what you think...
As far as I know, the merger announcement happened in the spring of 2010. Prior to that, there was NO merger, whatever "right sizing" you like to call it. The slashing of UAL's fleet and labor force could also have been because you guys hemmoraghed money for multiple quarters prior to 2010...or maybe not, that's just my op.
Last, I'll take my post one step further, kind of in the same direction you took yours. When I got hired at CAL a few years ago, we had one of the fastest moving career expectations in the industry. We were hiring so many guys, and had so many retirements - guys were no-sh*t holding captain on the 737 within 3 years'ish. I literally could have been making $150K a year within 3-4 years at the company. Then of course age 65 hit us and...well, you know the rest of the story. Yet our awesome upgrade times had ZERO to do with your career or your airline in general - you were still furloughing at that point. Now, here's my question - shouldn't I be given "consideration" above UAL guys because when I was hired I could have held captain early in my career before being affected by age 65?
The answer is of course not. It had nothing to do with your collective joint airline careers, just like your airline's furloughing (or "right-sizing" as you like to call it) had nothing to do with ours. It's all in the past.
I personally agree with the whole "career expectations" thing. Good thing that isn't a part of ALPA merger policy anymore.
Aircraft on order or whatever else you want to look at are only what was going on that day in history.
While you weren't there, I'll remind all that in the late 90's, UAL had 3 year captains, was the world's largest airline, etc.
Many guys on their second furlough were hired during those times at UAL.
It is all in the past. How the SLI negotiations proceed is far down the path.
If all keep that fact in the proper perspective, then hopefully all can get along. Anyone expecting a windfall on the SLI will hopefully be sadly disappointed.
Age 65 may have ruined your timeline to the left seat. True so of UAL pilots. Now throw in 9/11, BK, a senior-centric MEC during BK round one, etc.
Relax. The journey has really just begun.
Lee