Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Once again, you don't get it. If you actually read my posts, you would understand. I've never said that the simple answer is what's needed, I've said that people who come up with complex explanations as to why simple things cannot be done are the folks that you can properly label as BS'ing. See the difference ACL? Explanations...not answers.
We need professional negotiators because line pilots who attend ALPA negotiating seminars are wrong to put up against management's professional negotiators. I would think that would be self-evident even to you. With regard to your confusion about me referring to complex answers being BS, well, if you can read and remember what I just wrote above, then maybe you won't have to ask the silly question: "Which is it."
How you can conflate the issue of professional negotiators and the value of a complex answer is beyond me. Sometimes your lack of attention to detail is shocking.
Carl
I don't know how NW did it but DALPA has always hired professional negotiators to help with all aspects of a new contract. We normally have a entire top labor law firm at our disposal. They go through with the pilot negotiators every step of the way from forming openers to all the counters. There are no actually table negotiations anymore. Its all done by document exchange. Table meetings are normally only to clarify paper concepts where there might be questions. Do you simply want to eliminate all pilot involvement? Not smart in my opinion because non pilots can't understand the value of some issues.