Originally Posted by strfyr51

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If I recall in correctly, In 2001 when the Pilots at UAL got their contract the Delta pilots made the claim that the 777 was more efficient so they should be paid accordingly. That was a good argument at the time because they HAD no 747-400's and no access to any either.. fast forward to NOW and they're merged with Northwest. were they of knowlege of the fact as they stand today, would they have made the same choice NOW as then?? The Pay, if not based on total seniority ala UPS would then equate to the tangibles like Max Gross Weight
Given that scenario I've suggested pay rates based on EVERY aircraft's Gross weight and Use. And this suggestion is based on the airplanes flying TODAY.. SO?? How then would the 747 and 777 of ANY age be determined as the SAME when the 747-8 intercontinental is going to max gross at 998,000 Pounds and carry 455-525 passengers in 3 or 2 class interiors?? The A380 presently has a max Gross of 1,325,000 Pounds. Whether I believe in the "Banding" or NOT since I have no Horse in this race, and I'm speaking Purely form Logic. The Banding was brought about by CH-11 abd the 1113 Process where if it WASN'T agreed to? Then UAL might have been LIQUIDATED or the ENTIRE Pilot Contract Abrogated!! So NOW it comes BACK to regaining the previously rendered concessions. DOES it NOT?? Where the 747 WAS at the top of the "food chain" (to use a figure of speech) the 777 would be next on, the 767-424,322,224,the 757-324,-222,/-224,the 737-924,824,724,the A320, A319 and the 737-524 (which might not even see another summer).. Airplanes to come are the A350-900, and the B787-800 and 900 the move up is sequential By Gross Weight with ALL move ups being PAID for!! Now Exactly WHAT is wrong with the Logic IF, the top Seniority Pilots from EITHER airline are put where their seniority will HOLD, DOWN the LINE?? And Yeah that means NO fences!! NO carveouts!!, Everything Above Board and ON the SQUARE. This ENTIRE tone of conversation makes you guys look ALMOST as STUPID as the "Dimwits" from USAPA (US-Air Easties) and on top of that?? WHY would you put your "business in the streets" in THIS manner?? Do you BELIEVE that UAL and CAL management can't READ?? You don't even know for Sure Who is "Stoking the furnace" in this conversation yet you're ready to Drop Napalm on each other.. This conversation is for an ALPA PUBLIC NON- viewable Website!! THAT is where your Business should be dicussed! I work with some of the Smartest Pilots in the World As a Controller, I also have the misfortune to speak to the some of the totally DUMBEST as well. (mainly on the weekend) You guys are better than THIS and you need to show it! Cmon Guys! Pick it up a notch and stop Flamin' each other. I shouldn't have to tell you this.