I can assure you, these ALPA guys on APC will take all the credit when something changes. It will change, but what will cause the change? ALPA's style of engagement or 2 weeks of pilots getting absolutely tired of the harassment and BS. These other independent unions work behind the scenes as well and have been on top of this issue. They just use all the tools available to apply political pressure. That includes taking a strong public position. It is a tool which should be used more often.