Originally Posted by
JMD16
Question on the point made in this quote. UAL has pilots on voluntary furlough with 1978 to 1997 DOHs. My understanding is your seniority number at your airline can never change. I.E. the pilot 1 senior to you will remain so as will the pilot 1 number junior. You believe the 1978 hire will be stapled to the bottom of the new list when this goes to the arbitrator?
No one is suggesting a voluntary furlough is going to go to the bottom of the list, at least I haven't heard that. We could be talking semantics. Here at CAL voluntary furlough would equate to a "leave of absence" of some sort. That term is not in our contract or vocabulary.
So the question becomes: how many of the 1437 "furloughs" are really "furloughs" and how many "voluntarily" took some type of leave to prevent other furloughs (what you call a voluntary furlough)?
Say 500 took some form of vol. furlough/leave, leaving 937 with absolutely no choice but being furloughed, then that 937 would be what we are talking about from the UAL list. However, I don't think any of us at CAL know this real number. We have guys on leaves of various types right now, but when we say furlough we mean those who were shown the street with no recourse or options for management's poor planning. That is the 147 number we mention.
So again: does anyone have the breakdown of the real furloughs of the 1437 quoted? How many are voluntary vs. how many were kicked to the curb?