Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
The other MISERABLE failure was to accept the first offer in BK. The NWA flight attendants refused the first 3 BK contracts until they got one they thought they could barely live with. The NWA flight attendants were willing to risk having a contract imposed on them, and live with it until the company emerged from BK. At which time their imposed contract immediately expired. They were willing to take that risk. Ultimately, the company was not and upped the ante 3 additional times to entice the FA's to sign a contract that was not imposed.
Hawaiin Airlines pilots also turned down their TA in BK. They were not scared of living under an imposed contract for the same reason as our FA's. Hawaiin pilots got significant increases in all areas in their second TA...which they ultimately signed.
Both NWA and DAL pilots...signed the very first offer that came down from management and the judge. No snapbacks, no nothing. Just signed it.
Carl
Another excellent rewrite of history. The Northwest FA's rejected deals and their contract was rejected. That means they had a contract designed by management. They said they would strike and they were given a federal injunction barring them from striking. When they saw everyone else getting large bankruptcy claims they went crawling back to management and accepted their imposed "contract" in exchange for a small claim. Our non-contract flight attendants came out of bankruptcy better than they did. In fact, one of their "interference" claims is that Delta management is flouting the superior deal the non contract F/A's have. Even the AFA doesn't agree with your claim.
DAL first offered their bankruptcy ask to ALPA in August 2005. The final deal was signed in April 2006, 8 months later. It was not the first offer that came down from management it was not 10th or 20th, it was after a long series of negotiations, we took them to court, we took them to an arbitration, we organized our strike committee, we picketed, we took many actions that gave us the best bankruptcy deal amongst all the other carriers.
Aloha went into bankruptcy and they liquidated. Using your Hawaiin logic, you can say ALPA saved your job. All bankruptcies are different.
For a guy that claims so much experience, you seem to never get your facts or your history straight.