Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

No, we need raises---actually RESTORATION. We have been taken advantage of for too long, and there are plenty of other things or "one time charges" the company could do to "prepare for the future", like buy 10 million biscoff cookies and store them in a warehouse. That may save us money in the short term, but we need to be paid better NOW. Start at the Southwest 737 rate---for our 737s, not for our 777s or 744s. That is the new benchmark. The Airtran guys are going to get the SWA rate, and so will we. If they don't like it, they can raise fares or fees even higher. Too bad. And, I won't give anything up for scope either. We are coming off of a BK contract, and times are better. Will we ever get the pay back from the C2K days? I don't know, but it will be darn close.