Originally Posted by
Hawaii50
ACL, Carl has an agenda and you're on the other side so you're a target. I, never in a million years, read from your posts that you hate senior guys. I wouldn't waste my time trying to reason if I were you. I'd rather see your opinions and your usual informative posts then you trying to repel attacks from a red book whale guy. Take care.
I engage him, just like I engage others. He is a Delta pilot, and has an opinion. I disagree with a great many things he says, but at least he is being honest. I do think he has his anger directed in the wrong direction, but again, that is his choice. The reality is that there are probably more pilots than just ole Carl that feel this way. That is why a dialogue is needed. I can take the slams event though I feel they are unwarranted. (Notice I let the other mods moderate him)
Originally Posted by
TANSTAAFL
Actually the number of DALN pilots with significant frozen pensions is quite small, however the number of pilots staying past 60 is bordering 75%, mainly because of our industry trailing, cobra priced retiree medical and staying until they can get medicare. So yes, it is your junior pilot @ss interest for them to get better medical and move on. Right now back of the napkin mean retirement is 62-63. I'm sure you don't mind delaying that upgrade another 3 years just so you can show those greedy senior guys.
I would like to see better retirement insurance for anyone that wants to leave. I would also like to see it at least 50% covered until medicare kicks in. It is something they deserve, but also it makes them have a connection to the company after they no longer fly here. It makes them vested in our success as an airline and a pilot group.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
A senior / junior divide is counterproductive. Both need each other to achieve success in contract negotiations. Carl's understanding and support for better scope is very much appreciated by the junior guys on this board.
By the same token, I know what ACL is referring to because I've heard the same things he his hearing from his mostly DAL-S Captains who have enjoyed the seniority to avoid the worst of the last decade and who also enjoy the luxury of tuning most of this crap out.
This board is like monitoring HF. There is a good bit of static along with useful information. For junior guys who's QOL is effected by a single airplane's staffing, it is well worth following every ride report. For the Senior guys, there is only a few things that will make the HF go DING that rises to their attention.
ACL is probably telling them a lot they were never motivated enough to dig up on their own. When the going got real tough, the tough retired early and our current Senior pilots upgraded to maintain level earnings. Not saying they did not take cuts like everyone else, but they had earned the seniority to side step the ugliest effects of mismanagement.
Now with PBS and computer scheduling the difference between senior and junior is STARK! Senior guys get the very best and junior guys get the very worst. It is easy to draw a line that divides us. We can not let that happen.
Well said.
Originally Posted by
nerd2009
IMHO ACL65pilot has always been respectful to everyone on this board. His posts are always full of good information and no abrasive.
That being said, Carl abrasiveness raises a few eyebrows.
What happened at NWA between the folks who kept their full pensions intact and the others who did not has brought out a lot of anger. Most of that was from the more junior pilots most affected, not the other way around.
nuf said!
True, I have listened to many pilots from teh PMNW side state that. It seems the pensions of a few were saved. The past is the past though. We all need to worry about what is in front of us.