Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Never said they would pass the MEMRAT test, just that some pilots freely admit that their only goal is pay, even if there is a trade off.
I'm sure there are a few who say self absorbed things like that - but most do not. You are completely exaggerating on this point. Former Delta pilots are no different than former Northwest pilots. The VAST majority of senior people understand the criticality of Scope. When you post things to the contrary, you falsely accuse an entire group of believing things that only foment disunity. Why you do that...I can't be sure.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
You also fail to see the context of the posts, and the word "education." Many of the guys I fly with have no clue we even have a AS code share, have no clue what the AF/KLM/JV entails, and lastly, see RJ's as RJ's and really give them no thought except that they keep getting bigger. Some do realize that, leverage is leaving the list though, but not as many as I would like to see.
Again, I believe you're exaggerating. Most pilots have a decent understanding of our Section 1. Most don't like it. I can only hope that when you're in the cockpit "educating" people, you do as much listening as talking.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Fine by me Carl, I will be your mute FO and that is oh so good for CRM...
Talk about out of context! I've never said I wanted a mute FO. I've only said that if you ever started to "educate" me on how things should be, I will tell you that you'd do well to keep your mouth more shut and your ears more open. Nothing to do with your duties as an FO, only advice for you not to look like an idiot when you're discussing things with people that have been fighting this battle for decades. You can either take the advice or not.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Realistically Carl, I ask them what they want they tell me, and when they say Pay no matter what, I ask them a few questions, ask them what they know about scope, etc. It is hardly an one sided discussion, and is never confrontational, but I know you would never believe that.
Actually I do believe it is not confrontational. But from how you behave on this forum, I do not believe your discussions are balanced. I would bet your captains can barely get a word in edge-wise.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Reality Carl is we agree on a great many issues, but take totally different paths to them. We have 12,000+ pilots and all have different priorities and many of them are not the weighted the same as you. I am sorry if that is news to you.
We disagree on a lot more than you think. I think the blame game and hatred of senior people is destructive. About the only thing we agree on is the importance of tough scope, but you want to fix it by providing a back door entry to the majors via the RJ airlines. You call it "disunity" to believe anything else.
Sorry to bust your chops the way I do, but I've always been offended by people that talk from all sides of their mouths. I know where you're coming from, and you clearly don't like it when I say so. I don't know whether you're more mad about me saying it, or because I notice.
Carl