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Old 12-18-2006 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
Good observation, because I think you're right. I just think ATP guys are not held to the standards the rest of us are.
That's the most uneducated and ridiculous statement I've ever read!

Just because you might have flown with someone who came from there and was weak (and I'm not sure you have as your allusion to "gals" leads me to believe you're relying on heresay from other captains who probably have a problem with female pilots), that doesn't mean the flight school's students aren't held to the same standards.

I sat in the back of the sim and watched several guys do some TERRIBLE flight skill demonstrations both at interviews and during training. They were from various places. Just like a good pilot can have a bad day and bust a checkride, a weak pilot can have a good day and pass one. Furthermore, the DE's ATP uses are the same ones everyone else uses. And they're held to the same standards. The deal is, they can't bust you if you meet the minimums established by the PTS. And I've seen many the slid by those minimums that I wouldn't want flying my wife around in a passenger jet. I've also seen many many guys at ATP bust on checkrides. Anyone who insists that they're held to lower standards or that ATP is a "checkride factory" has no familiarization with the program.

Lastly, I find it disturbing that XJT hires pilots without a sim check. I've seen lots of pilots that could pass a technical/personal interview with flying colors but couldn't fly an airplane worth a hoot, barely getting their certificates, sometimes after multiple checkride busts, only to get on at XJT. So if you've seen some weak pilots from ATP there, its probably because they couldn't get on with any other carriers because the rest do sim rides in the interview and weeded them out.

I personally know several very weak pilots that barely made it through ATP training that ended up at XJT.
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