Originally Posted by
Truman_Sparks
I think the XJT guys need to remember that it is not what we piolts decide to pick that we magically are going to get! It's not whose item we pick, like ASA's bidding or XJT's. It's what will be NEGOTIATED with management. We can "pick" the World's best ever bidding andscheduling system that ever pilot back flips over. Getting it in the JCBA is a totally different animal. Also, anything better than the cost number that they have now must be compromised somewhere else. A negotiation comes down to give and take. Dumping PBS will cost the pilot group elsewhere.
Agree with all this.
I think what the ASA guys need to realize is, guess what? XJT guys have ALSO been through multiple negotiation cycles and understand the game. XJT guys have ALSO been through a concession. Refresh my memory, when was the last concession cycle at ASA? I'm not talking your downgrades/furloughs a while back, I'm talking about the cutting of pay and/or workrules. Because as it is now, accepting the ASA CBA as it is now is a concession. That concession will be for the majority of pilots of the combined list. So who's gonna have more votes when it comes down to accepting a JCBA that might be concessionary? Jerry is too far into this thing to back out know. Contrary to what the ASA pilot who went off the reservation on FI thinks, Jerry wants this thing done ASAP to start seeing the savings of eliminating the redundancies that exist. So dare I say, the pilots have a slight bit of leverage this time around. Which rarely happens.
I'll extend the SAME offer to you as I've done for guys ASA pilots on FI, as well as our message board. I'll gladly do a head to head bullet point comparison of the ASA and XJT CBA's for the purpose of showing where both are strong, and both are weak. Especially the hours of service, scheduling, and compensation sections. It's funny, I have yet to see a single ASA pilot take me up on that offer.
Originally Posted by
Truman_Sparks
Also, Skywest/ASA management will never allow the dumping a 4 day for a 1 day, and certainly won't pay someone the original value to do so.
Why on earth would they? NOBODY has said that an XJT pilot trading down his line in the LIW's get's pay protected. The pilot takes the associated credit loss with trade. Nobody has said otherwise, here or anywhere else.
Originally Posted by
Truman_Sparks
Also, thy don't run enough reserves to ever have enough coverage to do so. They will just make EVERY DAY a red arrow day!
And you guys aren't paying attention. There is a limited amount of positive reserve coverage at the beginning of the LIW's. But when guys start picking stuff up, it drives the coverage of the negative days to positive so that OTHER guys can start trading down/dropping. The "red arrow" thing isn't nearly as much as a big deal under the XJT system as it is the ASA system.