Originally Posted by
pokey9554
There are no part 61 or 141 checkrides. A checkride is a checkride. A part 141 EOC (end of course) ride can either be a stage check, or a checkride. Part 141 schools are required to conduct "phase" or "stage" checks. A checkride is the practical portion of an application for a certificate. If you aren't getting a certificate, pink slip, or discontinuance at the end of the ride, it was not a check ride.
Huh??? I was a 141 CP...
A part 61 checkride is a checkride, period.
A part 141 EOC could in theory just be a stage check if the school does not have examining authority. But the usual way around that is to hire a DPE who does the EOC on behalf of the school. It is still under part 141 and does not result in a pink slip (unless the DPE is really confused, which has happened).
But most 141 EOC checks are also the "checkride" in that a certificate is issued upon completion, either by an in-house examiner or a hired DPE (or even a fed in some cases).
If an airline asks you if you have ever failed a checkride, they mean any 61 checkride or any 141 EOC check which would have resulted in a certificate had it been passed. Semantics and Amateur Lawyering will not help you here...especially after colgan, if they find out you failed a 141 EOC and did not disclose you will be going home.