Originally Posted by
jetjock257
I hope not.
I never did take a cotton to the UAL system where a guy with 25 years would retire, his buddy with 28 years would keep on workin', and the guy with 25 years would instantly jump ahead of him in line because he just retired. Huh?? Didn't strike me as fair at all. (Retired UAL folks with 25 years of service board in a super seniority class ahead of active employees.)
But to put them in a lower class? Well shoot, that aint right either!!
One thing's fer sure - management will find a way to keep themselves in a super class! No doubt about that if you ask me.
That makes sense, but I recall the UAL-MEC was afraid to open up discussions on anything to do with pass policy. Partly, because the other unions did not agree with a longevity concept and the possibility of ending up with something worse.
The survey was designed to get a certain result, notice there is no reference as to who responded in a particular manner, such as, 10% retirees participated, 80% active, 5% over 25 years etc. A fact of life is that very few of us are truly altruistic. The retirees were underrepresented, they do not have the daily contact to even know about this survey.
Management will do what they want, there is no point debating the results of "their" survey. The unions should speak for their members on these issues. We don't let management survey the pilots as to pay or work rules, this is no different.
After losing their retirement, I would be surprised if the retirees lay down for another screw job, no doubt ERISA or a smart lawyer will have something to say, unless it is fair to everyone. My thought is that they will now propose a compromise of a first come first serve system like AMR. All of this survey nonsense is only to lead us to water.
One last thought, everyone will eventually retire, be careful what you wish for.