Originally Posted by
SaltyDog
727574drv,
The IPA pilots truly understand the situation and sympathize with the whims of our industry. The irony to me is that you describe exactly the situation accurately, "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
So the irony? UPS placed 109 of our pilots on the street who feel exactly as you do who tell us themselves "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
We want them back making money for our shareholders, their families, and growing our business for all of our prosperity. UPS is more interested in not growing known profitable business because it is low yield profit. When you make the kind of money UPS makes, Atlanta can choose to be picky about which profitable business' to ply and discard those ventures whose profitable yields are to low. How nice for the beancounters.
So, unlike Fedex, Southern, Atlas, Polar, World, National, Evergreen, Kalitta and all, UPS shuns what they fly profitably. Means less jobs at UPS.
IPA offered the dollars to keep them on the property. UPS played Lucy and moved the football.
Then you have UPS management who wants to hire a handful of FQS' to be the replacement pilots for IPA pilots as super reserves. No one even argues anymore that they are managers. They are FAR only pilots.
Consider this: The FQS issue is unresolved. Worst case, new FQS may be on the street when resolved, in the IPA, or doing some non flying duty for the rest of their UPS career trying to climb a management ladder from a very low starting position outside your lane.
FedEX is getting ready to hire, chances are far better that one would get called and have a successful career at FedEx than as a FQS at UPS. Unless you have a strong management sponsor, would surmise chances are slim for an FQS position anyway.
I'll buy you a coffee or adult beverage too. We are on the same side of this really. If UPS pursued more business, they would be looking to hire you anyway (as a line pilot).
Wish you the best at FedEx and all.
You are dead nuts on insofar as one thing. We really do agree. I do not have any ambition to be in Airline Management ANYWHERE. I was merely gathering info and such. I would have no illusion that these FQS pilots would be permanent jobs. I would been using it to get a paycheck, maybe a free type or two and when the world starts to spin on its axis again, leave. I know no one in Management there, and its sounds like no one likes working there. I have a few friends at UPS, but most of them I have not spoken with in years. I have a friend that lives here in CAE that is very senior but is out on medical right now. He likes it and can't wait to get back. Actually, I really have a few other first choices above UPS and FedEx. Not knocking either, I like flying cargo, long haul, and don't mind working nights. I actually applied for but didn't even interview for, a part time sort job at the CAE hub over the holidays. One question though, if I could; why is everyone bent out of shape over this when had they read the last TA (the pages W/O $ signs) they could have seen this coming. If this is a violation of the contract, why are ya'll flying? This may seem like a simplistic view, but I have found over the years that when I keep it simple life gets a little easier. At a company I used to fly for guys used to complain to me about our contract all the time and it frustrated me because I got tired of saying; "Didn't you read the Contract before voting yes", "I voted NO". So I am sure this will be an absolute NO NO in the next TA??? Good Luck to you guys. I definetly have no interest. Doesn't sound fun at all....