They are V.P's at AE and you believe they are not yes men, is that correct?
You believe they fight for you?
When was the last time you knew they had done anything positive for the pilot group?

I know they stand up, problem is for what.

Also last time there was a squeeze on pilot hiring, management told H.R. to disregard the captains board recommendations and hire them anyway. Another way to alleviate the problem, put yes men on the captains board.