Originally Posted by
buzzpat
OK, point taken. Why didn't you quote Ferd's post about the governor of Wisconsin being a "thug?"
And, as long as we're being honest and all, when have I resorted to "name calling?" I'm receptive and I'm trainable, or at least Delta thinks I am. So, school me New.
I've got lots of arguments. Seems to me that some of the guys trying to defend the indefensible are the ones calling out the names. I love my fellow bros, most definitely you and Ferd. I'm attempting to take on this discussion above the fray. Seems I keep getting pulled back into it. Can you show me where I've called anybody names or run out of cogent arguments? If so, I'll gladly apologize.
Buzz,
There are a couple of legal reasons why I didn't quote Ferd's calling the Governor a thug, but for legal reasons, I will save that for a PM tomorrow.
As far as the name-calling, it seems as though you really push some buttons when you call people "Ed Shultz watchers," or "Rachael Maddow kind of guys." Personally, it doesn't bother me at all. I watch all the news stations and love seeing how different sides present the same story. But, you have to admit that who someone watches on cable news is not really a valid argument to anything of substance. Furthermore, calling members of a teachers union, "thugs" is probably not well received by anyone who intimately knows a teacher, or two.
To be honest with you, what probably brought Ferd out of the woodworks was all the people who said that teachers are overpaid. I don't think you did that. But, for the record, people who know teachers, know they are not overpaid. After 40 plus years with the Chicago Public Schools, 3 masters degrees and a doctorate degree, my mother retired making less than $70,000 per year (that's with teaching in the summer). For what she did, she deserved a lot more than that. My father probably made about the same, if not less.
I saw your arguments, and responded to your initial ones pages and pages ago. I think we can keep this discussion above the fray. But, to do so we have to realize that; 1.) the opposition is not an enemy, 2.) the opposition is not necessarily an idiot, and 3.) We are all just people who have different views.
From a perspective adjustment standpoint, I think the most beneficial trip I had in life was my first 12 day trip on the DC-10. I DH'ed to Narita without the Captain and the second officer for some reason, so I didn't meet them until we got on the bus. After the wx planning and preflight, off we went, on our way to Singapore. I could still see Tokyo out of my window when the captain leaned over towards me and said, "So, who you got in the election?" I mean I think we had barely gotten out of 14,000 feet and all I could do is think of how long this 12 day trip was about to become.
I answered his question, and I promise you, anytime we were inflight and above FLwhateverthtransitionlevelwas, we talked politics and presidential elections, for the entire 12 day's. It was the most fun I've had while flying and it only took me a few hours or so to realize that politics didn't have to be so personal. Now,when I see that captain, we cheese it up and are the best of friends. I hope you get a trip like that at least once in your career.
In my opinion, some of you guys let your politics shape your entire world and its distorts your perspective. "Your side" isn't wrong about everything and "my side" isn't right about everything.
If we start from that viewpoint, I'm sure keeping the discussion above the fray will be easy.
So, no unions for public sector employees, huh? Why not?
