No offense, but how dumb do you think we are? Why would you assume that we're all looking for some miracle upgrade? Read my post a page or two back. The captain in my interview took 4 years to upgrade in the Q. I can't see any reason to believe that number would decrease now that it's a list of thousands instead of hundreds. Even with the Q options remaining I think 4 years is where you set the over/under. I know there's a lot of foolish idealism by newbies here, but I can speak for myself at least when I say that just because this is my first 121 gig doesn't mean I haven't been around the block enough to know how it works. I think upgrade times everywhere will be on the way down over the next 5 years, but name any place with a 2 year upgrade these days. It doesn't exist.

The good news is that the FO pay scale is now livable enough to tolerate a 4+ year upgrade.