Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
BS.
Well, if you say so.
Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
So, you prefer rhetoric to results. We get that.
I think Carl pretty well covered that one.
Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
But while APA has had ZERO raises in the past 5 years, YOU'VE gotten 14.5% in pay increases (I think), PLUS 6.5% profit sharing, PLUS $~40,000 in stock (unless you sold already), PLUS 2% in DC. Meanwhile, APA, with their clear, concise objectives have zero, zip, nada.
Well, #1 - I don't think APA took as large a percentage pay cut as we did.
And, #2 - Yeah, that was all good. But in the grand scheme of things, it is a very small drop in the bucket and makes practically NO progress towards restoration. The "14.5% pay increases" amount to roughly the rate of inflation over that time period. So, what we really got was a cost of living adjustment to our bankruptcy/emergency rates. Even with those increases, it would still take a
70% increase to our end of contract pay rates in 2012 to restore our buying power back to where it was prior to the pay cuts. The 6.5% profit sharing for this one year was a little over $5K net (if I remember correctly). That's great, but I'm making about $100K LESS than I should be making this year! And the stock? Well, it went into my retirement account. I'll take it... but again, in the grand scheme of things, we lost the pension and I therefore have a lot of lost ground to make up in my retirement accounts. Nice to have the little boost, but I'm not ready to party like it's 1999. (or 2000 to be more specific)
And, again, (to use your phraseology) it did zero, zip, nada to close the gap on the $100K deficit in my income this year.
Originally Posted by
Pineapple Guy
APA - clear objective. Results - None.
From all your postings, it seems that all you really care about is someone who can talk the talk; results don't matter. Interesting philosophy.
Well, again... I think Carl covered this one. A lack of any clear objective is a sure way to get (as you put it) "zero, zip, nada." I am most definitely looking for results. Can't say that I know the same to be true for ALPA, though. At least not the same result I think most of us are looking for.