Originally Posted by
RiddleEagle18
I sounded disappointed because I am, but not how your thinking. One of the huge(and never mentioned) benefits of the flow through is that the compass pilot group is very aligned with the delta pilot group on scope issues.
If this means the 6 DC-9's arent staying(speculation) it means a longer time for me to flow. The planes going to compass or flow, does the same thing for me in terms of movement on the compass list, but the flow means more upward movement for the group as a whole. Guys leaving the regionals for better jobs at delta.
Compass pilots dont want scope relief anymore than a delta pilot does.
However if it cannot be prevented and these planes are going to be awarded, I prefer they go to an ALPA carrier NOT directly competing with my future employer.
I get where you are coming from, but with every outsourced jet the delta pilots lose more leverage...And your flow up moves farther into the future. I hope you can flow sooner rather than later and you can lump me into the RAH is too dangerous club. The truth is every time I get in a 70 or 90 seat jet, I know it should be at the mainline...regardless of which company currently flies it.
I find it interesting too that we (the APC scope police or loudmouth forum radicals) see a glaring hole in our scope agreement with Alaska, but at the same time, they are losing some of their flying (and Horizons flying) to skywest. This is currently in the form of the q400 a large and very efficient turboprop.
I also think that plane should be a mainline plane. It is kind of back to the future with turboprops due to their efficiency. It has nothing to do with public perception - except ticket price.
At the end of the day, scope has been an epic fail for both ALPA/DALPA and the Delta pilots. We, for whatever reason, were willing to, or told that it was okay, to trade our scope (the foundation of our contract) for improvements in other sections.
Now with the conflict of interest at ALPA national codified into the ALPA policy manual, we have to confer with regional carriers to change our scope section back to a more ironclad form...before the ALPA president signs a new contract. Some apologists will say this is not true, but it is.
Bottom line, we have weak lawyers that have a history (hindsight 20/20) of providing advice that has created a monster. Consider it a maze with no way out. This is probably why more and more pilots have become so disenfranchised with the whole ALPA line.
It is not personal with you at Compass. I personally feel we hosed you by not representing you therby enabling you to be sold. I wish we could have integrated your operation into ours, SLI and all, but that was apparently not the DALPA agenda.