Sorry sweptback. I know you deleted your post. But what you wrote is just too easy to pass up, so here goes. Couple things come to mind. 1) ASA needs to educate themselves on the XJT line bid/LIW system. 2) The XJT line bid/LIW is NOT the ASA system of yore:
Originally Posted by
sweptback
Sure, I'll give you an example.
Line bidding: Joe Pilot, #50 out of #75, bids all 38 lines with Christmas off because he thinks he can hold it. He bids no other lines. In fact, he can't hold it, and since he did not bid enough lines, he is assigned a line in lowest line number order, which is not what he would have wanted since he works Christmas.
Under XJT line bidding, Joe Pilot has a few options. He can bid his line, and get one working Christmas. When the ILIW opens up, he can drop/trade/manipulate to get it off. I saw MORE than one junior pilot do it last Christmas. If that doesn't work, Joe pilot can wait till the SLIW opens up, then do a bad day/worse day trade. I also saw more than one junior pilot do that last Christmas. You have access to the documentation, look it up.
Joe pilot can also exercise another option. He can bid the 38 lines that have Christmas off, THEN opt out into the secondary bid. When this happens, he can do a couple things. 1) Bid a relief line and request XMAS off. Might happen, might not. If not, when the SLIW opens he can try to fix it via trade or bad day/worse day. The other option is to bid a reserve line that has XMAS off. IF Joe pilot is that senior, he can hold either a long call reserve line, or a late call/commutable reserve line that has XMAS off. And if he's a commuter, he can take advantage of the APW to minimize any hotel/crashpad time he'll incur by doing so.
Originally Posted by
sweptback
PBS: Joe Pilot, #50 out of #75, preferences all the pairings with Christmas off but no other pairings working Christmas. The system initially builds him a complete line, but once it reaches the end of the category, it determines that it can't construct a complete schedule. The system then starts from the bottom of the list, adding trips to each pilot's schedule that had Christmas off until it reaches an acceptable pot of open time. The union and company agree on the solution.
So tell me, how is each scenario different? The number of lines working Christmas end up being the same. The seniority of pilots is protected. It just arrives at the same result a different way.
Reference the above. Can an unstacked PBS bidding pilot have the options I outlined above? I welcome a retort/reply/rebuttal. But ONLY if it's one based on knowledge of the XJT line bid/LIW system. NOT one based on one's experience of the previous ASA line bid system.
Your turn.
Originally Posted by
afterburn81
Man it annoys me when people say "We (ASA) bought Expressjet!" Where do people come up with that crap? It just embarrasses me to be associated with those people. You cannot buy ASA stock because ASA has no money. If ASA has no money, then how did they buy another airline. The holding company acquired the two airlines and merged their certificates. It's as easy as that.
It's nice to see that somebody gets it.