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Old 05-01-2011 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt
Take a look at 61.51(e)(iv) (performing the duties of pilot in command in an approved PIC training programs, primarily 135 and 121).
Ooops, that paragraph did not used to exist! Maybe I better spring for a new FAR/AIM.

In the 121 context that appears to mean that you could log non-flying legs of Captain IOE as a PIC, where you were not really able to do that in the past. But read the fine print...in order to do that the check airman would have to sign your logbook just like a CFI (nobody actually does that in 121).

But this appears to me to be applicable only towards formal (I assume 135/121) PIC training programs. It is not apparent that an FBO instructor could use this provision.

Also, this does not change 61.159(a)(4), which is still logged as SIC if you happen to be doing that.

However...if you log turbine PIC where you did not actually sign for the aircraft be aware that airlines will not count that towards their TPIC mins. It may not be worth logging a few hours of IOE if you have to separate it out later.


NGD, any idea why they added this provision? It doesn't make sense from a 121 perspective, ie a solution in search of a problem...
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