OK - here we go, one more time.
Originally Posted by
Ed Harley
This was an oversight that occurred during the PWA / merger saga....This was not done intentionally by ALPA but rather an oversight in the PWA. We were just kind of forgotten about.
That is simply wrong. Trust me, this was not an oversight. ALL NWA pilots entered the merger with the DC contribution rate in place prior to the merger, including you guys.
Originally Posted by
Ed Harley
It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".
That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.
I agree completely with you here, and disagree with the OP of this comment.
Originally Posted by
Ed Harley
Yes, I get 3% less than a new hire. I don't see what the merger equity shares have to do with the issue. I received those shares for agreeing to the PWA and SLI. A new hire knows the situation when being hired and can choose to decline the job offer if he/she doesn't like the contract.
BINGO! You got the merger equity shares by agreeing to the PWA and SLI. And a part of that comprehensive package was the flat DC and a nice pay raise.
Originally Posted by
Ed Harley
Just curious, are you one of those old ANC 747-200 classic guys that got their full retirement and still sued to get more $ in the targeting from their junior brothers who lost most of their retirement. Or are you management or something?
No - I've never sued the union and never will. Not management either.
Originally Posted by
johnso29
So we make less then our pre merger DAL counter parts, & that's fair?
That was part of the PWA, and yes, I think it's fair. Because the NWA guys got an hourly rate pay raise with the merger, and DAL guys did not, as your rates were harmonized on Day 1 with the DAL rates. See the post below from sailingfun for some historical perspective on previous mergers.
Originally Posted by
johnso29
Now we simply ask to be brought to pay equal to rest of our fellow pilots, & you call it pay parity?
You are being treated EXACTLY as EVERY other former NWA pilot is being treated. EVERY NWA pilot currently "receives" 8% DC. For some, it goes into the targeting matrix and is reallocated under that formula; for you guys, it is paid directly to you. EVERY NWA guy. Every one. Not one is getting more than that; but the entire NWA group will be harmonized under the terms of the PWA on 12/31/12. What you are asking is for 200 NWA guys to get harmonized earlier than ALL of your fellow NWA pilots.
Originally Posted by
johnso29
EXCUSE ME??!!!! What kind of GARBAGE is this?? How do you even try to justify in your head that this is relevant to the argument? A current DAL new hire was not involved in the merger, or making it work & therefore was never entitled to any shares.
As I told Ed, those merger equity shares were in the same contract as your DC rates. It was all one big package. ALPA tried to get harmonization of pay AND DC on Day 1. They were unsuccessful. YOUR MEC made the choice to harmonize pay, and let DC (for ALL NWA pilots) harmonize on 12/31/12. That was their decision.
Originally Posted by
flyBanana
As one of the 200 or so who’s getting less DC than everyone else… It’s not right; it’s not fair. It was something that fell through the crack, and I guess it was too late to fix it when they noticed that error....
Banana, who is telling you this? It is a complete lie. This did NOT "fall through the crack". It was not "an error".
And finally, I leave you with this historically accurate quote from sailingfun, who says it better than I could:
Originally Posted by
sailingfun
The NWA union decided how to hand out that money. Dalpa negotiated a agreement where the company would provide you full funding over most of your career. The fact that your prior union did not feel its a priority is something for another discussion. I simply explained the facts of why there was not immediate pay parity on the DC plan. The fact is the former NWA pilot group will receive more cash toward retirement funding then the former Delta pilots.
This was actually Delta's first merger where there was immediate parity on pay. In the prior mergers there was a 3 year phase on on pay rates. Man would you be upset if that were the case!!!!