That's what we are seeing right now except the jet is 2006 also, just a few months behind the EMB (because you can stay in Cali on the EMB, while the jet means IAH or MSP).

But I honestly have doubts that current new-hires will see a five-year upgrade opportunity...I don't know what it will be but I think more than five years. SKW management is pretty good but I'm not sure there is much growth opportunity remaining in this industry, and SKW's costs are higher than many other regionals. This means it's all about attrition...

I know a lot of CA's (and even FO's) who swear they are staying at SKW...guys who planned to be here for 4-5 years and now it's 10+. I think there will have to be some HUGE movement at mainline to entice these guys to leave because they do not want to take a paycut to commute to NY and sit reserve on Christmas. That kind of movement could happen if all the stars line up...retirements are coming but you also need no more mainline shrinkage and no more regional outsourcing.

But like I've always said, if you take a regional job for a quick upgrade you are rolling the dice...if it doesn't work out you might be stuck in a situation you don't want to be.