How is it overall
#11
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: Cfi
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Trip and Duty Rigs
Trip rigs pay you a set amount no matter how much you fly. AW is 1:4 so for every four hours on a trip you are guaranteed an hour of pay. Duty rigs provide guarantee from show time to release, at AW its 1:2 so one hour of flight pay for every 2 hours of duty.
#13
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 101
0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time
This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).
This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)
The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.
Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:
0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release
Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA
1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)
Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.
If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.
This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.
#14
Here's a fake trip to illustrate the point of rigs:
0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time
This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).
This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)
The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.
Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:
0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release
Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA
1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)
Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.
If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.
This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.
0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time
This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).
This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)
The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.
Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:
0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release
Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA
1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)
Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.
If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.
This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.
#15
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Posts: 397
We want new hires to have a good understanding of how it all works because we want them to do well here. Doesn't make sense to me to mislead or berate people for not knowing something. This whole forum is about asking and answering questions.
#18
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 34
I routinely pick up critical two day trips with 1 leg out day 1 and 1 leg back on day 2. Pays a min day, 3 hours, each day @ 200%. I'm on 3rd year pay, 12 hours of pay for doing absolutely nothing. Even better is when I pick up an old dash route like a MDT turn where you work an hour of flight time total and get paid a min day at 200%. I write "no JM or extensions" when I pick up trips and they've all been approved so far. Post has nothing to do with rigs but everything to do with you'll make lots of money if you play it right
#19
It’s awesome knowing that the senior guys care about the new guys. We need more people like you in the regional industry!
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
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