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Old 04-16-2018, 03:27 AM
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Default Trip and Duty Rigs

Trip rigs pay you a set amount no matter how much you fly. AW is 1:4 so for every four hours on a trip you are guaranteed an hour of pay. Duty rigs provide guarantee from show time to release, at AW its 1:2 so one hour of flight pay for every 2 hours of duty.
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:36 AM
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Trip rigs pay you a set amount no matter how much you fly.
You could also encounter a trip where the block time pays more than the rig time. In that case you get the higher of the two.
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer View Post
I’ve always been a bit confused on what “rigs” actually mean and how they come into play. I was always told to look for it, but I don’t know how to break it down and how it affects pilots.
Here's a fake trip to illustrate the point of rigs:

0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time

This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).

This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)

The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.

Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:

0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release

Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA

1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)

Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.

If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.

This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.
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Originally Posted by lukeh99 View Post
Here's a fake trip to illustrate the point of rigs:

0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time

This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).

This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)

The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.

Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:

0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release

Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA

1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)

Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.

If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.

This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.
Thanks for the reply!! You guys at AW have been the most pleasant thread to interact with so that’s appreciated. It really does seem that AW has one of the better contracts in the regional industry. Thanks again, guys
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer View Post
Thanks for the reply!! You guys at AW have been the most pleasant thread to interact with so that’s appreciated. It really does seem that AW has one of the better contracts in the regional industry. Thanks again, guys
We want new hires to have a good understanding of how it all works because we want them to do well here. Doesn't make sense to me to mislead or berate people for not knowing something. This whole forum is about asking and answering questions.
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^^^^This^^^^
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^^^^This^^^^
Seconded. This, so much. Thank you for those that “get it”.
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:17 AM
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I routinely pick up critical two day trips with 1 leg out day 1 and 1 leg back on day 2. Pays a min day, 3 hours, each day @ 200%. I'm on 3rd year pay, 12 hours of pay for doing absolutely nothing. Even better is when I pick up an old dash route like a MDT turn where you work an hour of flight time total and get paid a min day at 200%. I write "no JM or extensions" when I pick up trips and they've all been approved so far. Post has nothing to do with rigs but everything to do with you'll make lots of money if you play it right
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by StrykerB21 View Post
We want new hires to have a good understanding of how it all works because we want them to do well here. Doesn't make sense to me to mislead or berate people for not knowing something. This whole forum is about asking and answering questions.
It’s awesome knowing that the senior guys care about the new guys. We need more people like you in the regional industry!
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I write "no JM or extensions" when I pick up trips and they've all been approved so far.
Screenshot or it didn't happen. That's a clear violation of the CBA and they have denied multiple people in the past for making that exact request.
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