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Flying101 05-16-2018 11:21 AM

TA will pass, same reason the “industry standard” Spirit TA passed. My guess 90% of AWAC pilots don’t plan on staying at AWAC for their entire career. So why not making little more cash while waiting for the phone to ring? If the TA is voted down how many more years before another TA? Another few years for what? $15 more per hour. It’s unfortunate.

Excargodog 05-16-2018 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by donkeyjockey (Post 2595247)
There are individuals receiving actual UNV's for refusing jrman's. What to do about that???

Of course, the simple fix is to get drunk any time you aren't scheduled for duty. Beerios for breakfast, anyone?

billyho 05-16-2018 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by StrykerB21 (Post 2595171)
So when this is voted down and our negotiators are fired how long should we expect the next TA? A decade?

Decade??? They won’t be around then. Management might be setting this up for a merger and running off with millions before doors shut. This seems like a packaging deal to me.

SilentLurker 05-16-2018 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2595300)
TA will pass, same reason the “industry standard” Spirit TA passed. My guess 90% of AWAC pilots don’t plan on staying at AWAC for their entire career. So why not making little more cash while waiting for the phone to ring? If the TA is voted down how many more years before another TA? Another few years for what? $15 more per hour. It’s unfortunate.


So ALPA at United is not having talks with ALPA AWAC to get you guys seniority numbers at United? (a flow). How about Commutair flow or seniority at United?

A flow will help, new equipment will help, more base options will help.

Does the company (United & AWAC) think you guys/gals are already to expensive for United or do they really want to squeeze as much pennies out of you as possible? Something to consider.

Excargodog 05-16-2018 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2595412)
So ALPA at United is not having talks with ALPA AWAC to get you guys seniority numbers at United? (a flow).

I'm by no means anti-ALPA, BUT each ALPA unit seems to care far more about their own membership than any other ALPA unit. I don't believe I've ever seen any union at any of the majors do much of anything to help out their regional codeshare affiliate.

And in fairness, now that there are opportunities for most people to move up, even without a flow, even the regional pilots seem to have less enthusiasm for working contract issues that will take years to resolve. Most younger pilots hope not to be around to see a contract that will take three or four years to develop. Increasingly people seem to be assuming the marketplace will take care of it - that unless management initiates changes that improve salary or QOL, the candidate pool will just dry up, making management either improve things or go out of business.

Flying101 05-16-2018 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2595412)
So ALPA at United is not having talks with ALPA AWAC to get you guys seniority numbers at United? (a flow). How about Commutair flow or seniority at United?

A flow will help, new equipment will help, more base options will help.

Does the company (United & AWAC) think you guys/gals are already to expensive for United or do they really want to squeeze as much pennies out of you as possible? Something to consider.

AWAC is not wholly owned any kind of flow would not be in the contract. Equipment has nothing to do with the TA. Bases are United choice. AWAC already claims to be the highest paid regional (w/ bonuses). This TA is a joke. Sadly the $8K plus $5K annuals will win enough YES votes. I left AWAC 3 years ago, voted NO for the last sh*** TA.

Inside DEENA 05-16-2018 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2595431)
AWAC is not wholly owned any kind of flow would not be in the contract. Equipment has nothing to do with the TA. Bases are United choice. AWAC already claims to be the highest paid regional (w/ bonuses). This TA is a joke. Sadly the $8K plus $5K annuals will win enough YES votes. I left AWAC 3 years ago, voted NO for the last sh*** TA.

There would have to be 50% +1 for this TA to pass. That would be roughly 251 pilots voting YES.

As of right now, I highly doubt there are that many yes voters.

ID

StrykerB21 05-16-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2595300)
TA will pass, same reason the “industry standard” Spirit TA passed. My guess 90% of AWAC pilots don’t plan on staying at AWAC for their entire career. So why not making little more cash while waiting for the phone to ring? If the TA is voted down how many more years before another TA? Another few years for what? $15 more per hour. It’s unfortunate.

I think you underestimate just how ****ed off the pilot group is. This will fail spectacularly.


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