Is this accurate? As someone who wants to fly for ZW, this is really downright scary...especially since it's my first 121 job.

FWIW, my class had a 23% training attrition. The last of us is just now going into IOE after a Dec start. I might have just led a charmed life through training, but I didn't run across a lot of the boogeymen everyone talks about in the training department; everyone seemed focused on producing a better product while at the same time holding some semblance of a performance standard despite the storm--they just won't turn a blind eye to less than adequate performance. All but two of us were given extra training, including all of the ones that attritted out, so it isn't as though they are being miserly with the purse strings (at least in the training department that is :rolleyes: ).

So, I started reading the new TA from the beginning with an open mind. I got as far as Section 1. F. 1. General Furlough Protections, and the requirement to have 305 Captain positions. Right now we have only 266. On the June bid packets, total number of Lineholders plus Reserve plus MED, ALPA, INST and all other absentness equal 253. On the April Seniority List, total number of management pilots equal 13, giving the grand total of 266, 39 Captain positions short of the agreement.


If this TA is ratified, as the pen is being lifted from the signature page on the DOS, (Date of Singing), the Company will be in violation of this agreement from the very first second of its existence. If we allow the Company to be in non-compliance with the contract from day one, what can we expect over the next 10 to 12 years of this agreement, (2 year contract plus 8 to 10 years of negotiations?)


In my columns of pros and cons, this goes on the cons side. It will be interesting to hear from the MEC what pros will offset this. My gut reaction is that I can not ethically vote yes for an agreement that is already in violation, but I want to keep an open mind, read the whole thing, get the 14 other questions I have so far answered and see what list is longer.

Not any different from chronic abuse of the current book when it comes to hotels, crewrooms, and junior manning.

Same language as current book. They are in violation of it now. A grievance was filed last year and it is slated for arbitration in a couple of months. Signing a new deal in with same language would have no effect on that grievance or arbitration.


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I was being half sarcastic and FWIW, I am former ZW and not current. They hugely prided themselves on their “reputation” and would tout all the tine in ground school how “innovative” they were because they installed plates in the cargo hold for w&b and had their “own” acars network. Mostly it’s because it’s all they really had going for them. All this while they are working short contract to short contract and watching 50 people a month leave while not doing anything about it. The mood overall sounds like it hasn’t changed since I left 20 Monthes ago.

What kind of pay rates does this new TA have?

No change until 2020. July 2020 its a 1% raise. So if you're hired today you'll be on third year pay by the time you get your 44 cent raise.

Which means, allowing for inflation, you'll be making about 5% less in real terms than a third year guy today.

Does your management seriously think they are going to be competitive for either new hiring or retention with those numbers? It seems almost like a suicide pact for the whole organization. Sure, the new hire bonuses will bring new guys in the door, but how do you keep them once they have their first year in? At best, I think they might get a number of local candidates who want to stay local to hang around, but with half the other regionals giving new hire bonuses for street captains I can't imagine anyone who isn't already pretty senior even staying here until they can get on at a major. Especially with ULCCs hiring regional FOs with no TPIC whatsoever. Hopefully the training department is well staffed because the turnover might be awesome.

As billyho would say. I’m rooting for y’all. It’s ridiculous that they wanna offer you this dumbster fire TA In this kind of environment. All jokes aside. You guys have a amazing pilot group. Much better then where I am at. Something i miss about ZW. I really hope something works out much better than this bs for y’all. If you can’t even meet RAH new TA, it truly perpetuates that upper magagment truly believe they think they’ll survives on your 1990s/ early early 2000s rep alone. “Don’t worry people flock here because of what they heard about us in 2003”