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Deluth16 05-23-2018 09:09 AM

Merger?
 
Ok, so the TA is disappointing. Sounds like AWAC is getting set up to be merged or sold off?
The new TA is completely strange. 7+ years waiting for that? There’s got to be more to this.

prex8390 05-23-2018 09:44 AM

Sold
Filler

StrykerB21 05-23-2018 10:11 AM

Before the United announcement there were all kinds of rumors, none of them were true. Unless its grounded with some official statement, rumors shouldnt continue.

Soxfan1 05-23-2018 10:15 AM

Counter would be if AWA had plans to do any of the above you would move money back - not front load it. So you would not offer any bonus, a small year one raise and have larger ones in 2-3 knowing the pilots wouldn’t see it. Instead they are ( assuming it passed ) paying 400 pilots 8K in a 15 month span. And a tiny raise year 3.

If they knew they wouldn’t be around in a year they could offer a TA with 5% raises in year 2 and another 5% in year 3, but only 1-2 in year one.

Instead if they front loaded the money over the next 16 months. Doesn’t add up to a move you make if you are shutting the doors.

That said who knows what the master plan is and isn’t.

T28driver 05-23-2018 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Soxfan1 (Post 2600598)
Counter would be if AWA had plans to do any of the above you would move money back - not front load it. So you would not offer any bonus, a small year one raise and have larger ones in 2-3 knowing the pilots wouldn’t see it. Instead they are ( assuming it passed ) paying 400 pilots 8K in a 15 month span. And a tiny raise year 3.

If they knew they wouldn’t be around in a year they could offer a TA with 5% raises in year 2 and another 5% in year 3, but only 1-2 in year one.

Instead if they front loaded the money over the next 16 months. Doesn’t add up to a move you make if you are shutting the doors.

That said who knows what the master plan is and isn’t.

This is incorrect, and I recommend you look into the “successorship” section of our current contract/the new TA. In plain English, whatever contract we are under if we are sold or merged must be honored.

The decision to go with a front loaded bonus as opposed to using that money for an hourly rate increase is interesting, to say the least.

Soxfan1 05-23-2018 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by T28driver (Post 2600631)
This is incorrect, and I recommend you look into the “successorship” section of our current contract/the new TA. In plain English, whatever contract we are under if we are sold or merged must be honored.

The decision to go with a front loaded bonus as opposed to using that money for an hourly rate increase is interesting, to say the least.

Valid point for sure and eliminates my theory to a point. That would be if there was plans for m&a. If the plan was liquidation of assets as the OP mentioned then it would still be true.

I dont see that happening though. We are worth much more as a whole company if for no other reason then it comes with 550 pilots already trained. So to your point and if a m&a is more likely - a cheaper contract increases the value of the company.

Actually what is the most likely is the status quo. That’s my prediction. Nothing will happen.

pitchtrim 05-23-2018 11:46 AM

Let's be honest, no one knows. Speculation and rumors rarely come true when it comes to awac. Odds are status quo till they can't.

Also, all these former awac people spouting off left and right like they know anything is amusing to put it kindly. Spend 6 months at a company in business for 60 years and suddenly become guidance counselors to anyone entering the industry.

Soxfan1 05-24-2018 03:04 AM


Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 2600686)
Let's be honest, no one knows. Speculation and rumors rarely come true when it comes to awac. Odds are status quo till they can't.

Also, all these former awac people spouting off left and right like they know anything is amusing to put it kindly. Spend 6 months at a company in business for 60 years and suddenly become guidance counselors to anyone entering the industry.

Agreed. US nuclear codes are less secure than the long term plan around here. There are never any leaks so no one on the front lines truely does, or will, ever know anything until ATW wants it that way.

Grumbletrousers 05-24-2018 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Soxfan1 (Post 2601165)
Agreed. US nuclear codes are less secure than the long term plan around here. There are never any leaks so no one on the front lines truely does, or will, ever know anything until ATW wants it that way.

Delta flying was leaked.

StrykerB21 05-24-2018 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Grumbletrousers (Post 2601636)
Delta flying was leaked.

Didn't work out too well for us.


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