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Who's all goin'?

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Oh helll noooooooo

I love it when the "big announcement"is more terrible news.

We've got a lot of flying is not terrible news. Its just not great news for you personally.

Fairly sure the return of the outstation basing model is going to be personally not great for most of the commuting pilot group. Doesn't do much to address the long-term viability concerns that are mounting around here either.

WTF did you guys do in Dayton?

Good news for all the juniors captains and FOs, a double leg commute to an outstation with no transportation or crash pads is back. I’m sure this will help with recruiting and junior Manning when people quit to go somewhere with higher pay and better qol

YEP -ENOUGH SAID.
Horrible decision IMO.

My buddy has a bunch of houses/Crashpads for rent just outside the airport

Anyone want to take a guess at DAY staffing numbers?

From what I heard it will be bigger than CAE was.

I forget how big CAE was? 40 each seat?

I believe so…hearing about 80-90 total pilots for DAY.

it won’t be voluntary.

It sure won’t!

I'm guessing only 5-10 voluntary bids, after that, super junior.

People might want it over Milwaukee though. It's a lot more commutable in my opinion.

my 2 cent opinion…guys who are stuck on reserve in ORD but could hold a line in DAY and are within 3 hrs drive might seize this opportunity. Question is, how many of those guys do we have? I figure anyone fitting that description would be with PSA.

DAY is super senior at PSA.

Because of all of the ex comair guys at psa that live around day- cvg.
I don’t think zw has that type of following in that area .

right that’s my point, anyone fitting this description would have already gone to PSA.

Well the “vacancy” is out, no actual captain vacancies and a loss of lineholders. It seems like they are slowly going to attempt to staff with nothing but reserves.

went from 25.6% (CA) and 22.5%(FO) reserve makeup
to 30.4% (CA) and 36.3% (FO)

Decrease the most commuter friendly base by almost 1/3... that'll make the people happy.

Is this just normal causes or is the beginning of writing on the wall (even if some hope against hope or do not want to face it)?

​​​​​​Just because some people here are so dramatic doesn't mean anything, opening another crew base is perfectly normal and was expected for some time. Having more reserves than before likely just means we didn't have as many reserves as we wanted before, now it's closer to the goal.

Some of you people amaze me. We close a base, it's bad news, we open a base, it's bad news. We have few reserves, bad, we add reserves, bad. We don't add a new type, were doomed, we do add a new type, we're doomed.

Nothing at all would count as decent news for you all.

I agree that we don’t have enough reserves right now, we also don’t have enough line holders. But taking line holders and making them reserves decreases QOL for pilots while making scheduling have an easier job. If it were up the the company everyone would be on reserve and they would just tell people what they are doing last minute as it would make things easier for them.

we are not being all negative on here or dramatic but just stating facts.
Fact 1-they are massively shrinking our only actual commutable base.
Fact 2- they are taking line holders and making them reserves.
Fact 3- Dayton is not an easy commute when compared to the hub airports.
Fact 4- we are under-staffed right now and having a difficult time recruiting.

If you use common sense and connect the dots facts 1-3 will make fact 4 more pronounced. The more pronounced fact 4 is the crappier the QOL is for everyone on the books. Especially when you factor in more will be 2 leg commuting to an outstation to sit reserve.

hoping it’s just a temporary thing till they figure out actual crew usage in DAY. But with our current contract coming to an end and nothing new announced who knows.

What has United said with regard to their 50 seaters flying plans? Aren’t they being reduced greatly? Does that put Air Wisconsin directly in the crosshairs?

The only thing that's different now from 2019 is that the outstation base is DAY and not CAE. It's literally the only thing. Every regional has random out of hub crew bases and we are no exception. Furthermore, ORD was artificially large because of the realignment last year. This is really just a return to the way things were before.

Unfortunately yes .The contract is up in a year and a half and Ua basically said we’re not renewing it with these aircraft. Now a lot can happen in that time , but all of the majors are scoped out on larger rjs. The saving grace would be if they could buy some old 700s and convert them to 550s . However, many of you may not know but Skywest is buying up all they can find and preparing to convert them. The problem is they are having a very hard time finding any , including overseas.So from that perspective it dosent look good.
Kirby said in his last announcement that 50 seat single class departures will be reduced to 10% of daily departures by 2023.As their new jets begin to come on line , they will begin a massive overhaul and realignment of their ac usage to phase out and I quote Kirby “ the small, unpopular 50 seat planes that our customers don’t enjoy flying on “ unquote .
All I’m saying is , you better start working on a plan B just in case they can’t come up with one. Maybe the freight thing will work ,but you best believe the schedules will be crappy and a lot of night flying and backside of the clock involved with that .

The reduction begins in 2023, not by 2023.


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good thing is with the Dayton base they can make DAY and CVG a co-base. 🤣

HA !! Potato or Potatoe?? What difference does it make ? It’s going to happen one way or another. Significant point about 2023, two 50 seat contracts expire in 2023. Not hardly a mistake . He said 200 of them will be gone and you would be crazy to think that doesn’t include our 65.
Maybe zw will buy out g7 or something and take most of the 550 flying?
Maybe
But if that was an option why spend the money to add the 700 to our certificate? Buy them , take over theirs . So I don’t think that will happen.
Your guess is as good as mine . The only certain thing is we all have a year and half or so to come up with a game plan . Start your volunteer work, get some LORs from a few people, put yourself out there and see what happens.
Air Willy stood pat way too long with the 200s, while Mesa and sky were adding 175s and growing their companies.The times / industry were changing and they didn’t keep up with the change.
If they would have been this aggressive years ago I truly believe we would all be talking about something else right now .

The hope against hope reminds me of the conversations about needing a college degree to get hired by most of the majors.

Do I need a four year college degree to get hired by xxxx major?

Well, 99% of their pilots have one.

So you are telling me there is a chance?

Remember “THE DRIVE”??
1987 afc championship game between Cleveland and Denver ??
Denver was 98 yards away from victory with minimal time left on the clock .
After numerous mistakes and blunders during the game they found a way behind Elway to drive the field and win .
Everyone had counted them out but they persevered .
Maybe zw is Denver and Elway ??
Maybe - it’s always a chance lol
😂😂😂😂🤣

This whole thread gives me deja vu of the Compass threads a while back. They seemed to always conspire some possible scenario that could lead them to new contract flying.

It’s my personal opinion Kirby is sending a message to plan accordingly, go find new work before the inevitable happens. We actually lost a lot of potential pilot candidates for the majors with these recent shutdowns (men/women deciding to hang it up, instead of starting over again at a new regional). I have a friend from Compass, who’s fairly young (late 20’s), decided he’d rather work a desk job and be home to see his now fiancé, than start over and commute to reserve for dog **** regional pay.

When the man who signs the checks says this is what I’m going to do and this is when I’m going to do it , it really doesn’t leave much room for debate .

I think you’re right. I get the sense Kirby is just trying to keep the potential future pilots surplus strong. When you get thrown on the street to start over, already working for a subpar regional airline, said individuals already got their feet wet, realized it wasn’t anything they imagined, and decide to go a different career route. Honestly, I don’t blame them.