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herby130 03-17-2012 12:27 PM

Air Wisconsin Training
 
Any recent new hires get any training information prior to attending ground school? Systems, Limitations, Flow patterns? Also, curious if your conditional letter of employment was emailed or actually mailed?

Thanks,
herby130

Cessnan1315efw 03-17-2012 12:44 PM

i got my email with class details about 5 days before class started. you dont need to know anything for the first day of class just come prepared to have your brain abused for the next 4 weeks.

herby130 03-17-2012 06:51 PM

Thanks for the info....

king 03-17-2012 08:43 PM

Study groups and keep your tv off. Your brain will hurt but that was an exciting time. Congrats.

CEFO 03-18-2012 10:16 AM

What king said. Are they using the best western or la quinta for a training hotel now?

Cessnan1315efw 03-18-2012 01:16 PM

its the la quinta

flysooner9 03-18-2012 05:22 PM

i dont work at AWAC but my advice is to find a group but id say not more then 3 or else it becomes less productive. Quiz each other a lot and take turns answering. Also make sure you take breaks and get your mind off things or else you will just be going bonkers. Work hard and pay attention and you'll be fine im sure.

jackal24 03-18-2012 07:43 PM

Study hard, but take breaks. Take one day each weekend off completely from studying. Don't study too far ahead. They will let you know what to study each night. Don't get killed by the shuttle bus driver.

BaronRouge380 03-19-2012 08:46 AM

What are the mins? The website is showing 1500/100. I thought this was after July/August.

jetstream11 03-19-2012 08:48 AM

We spent a lot of time in the pool...

stbloc 03-19-2012 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=jetstream11;1154287]We spent a lot of time in the pool...[/

So I heAr. I read the newspaper.

herby130 03-19-2012 04:09 PM

How about Jeppesen Binders? Do I need to bring my own or does the company supply them for us? Also, how many do you all carry for your route structure? 1 or 2?

EZBW 03-19-2012 05:18 PM

Does AW have a training bond for new hires?

DryMotorBoatin 03-19-2012 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by EZBW (Post 1154544)
Does AW have a training bond for new hires?


Nope. And they hook you up with 2 Jepp binders

herby130 03-20-2012 04:28 AM

Jeppesen binders are expensive! That is great.

saab2000 03-20-2012 04:32 AM

One important tip is to not act like you know more about the CRJ than someone who has 6000 or 7000 hours in it and has been at AWAC 10 years or so.

This does not often lead to success at AWAC (or anywhere else for that matter). Just sayin'..!! :D

Occasionally there are these folks who make it through the pipeline to the line and it's not always a happy ending for them.

block30 03-20-2012 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 1154746)
One important tip is to not act like you know more about the CRJ than someone who has 6000 or 7000 hours in it and has been at AWAC 10 years or so.

This does not often lead to success at AWAC (or anywhere else for that matter). Just sayin'..!! :D

Occasionally there are these folks who make it through the pipeline to the line and it's not always a happy ending for them.

Oh, there HAS to be a story here...!

frmrdashtrash 03-20-2012 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Cessnan1315efw (Post 1153873)
its the la quinta

Does the Dennys give you a discount?

saab2000 03-20-2012 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1154753)
Oh, there HAS to be a story here...!

Use your imagination! Sometimes these geniuses get through...... AWAC is not the revolving door type of company that some regionals have turned into. Therefore there are a lot of very experienced pilots on line. We love new folks but humbleness and an eagerness to learn are considered virtues. This is not the same as "You are my b***h", but a 1000 CFI who did a course for the CRJ does not an expert make.

This said, 99% of the new folks I fly with are awesome to work with, highly knowledgeable and on the right track. Unfortunately it's the 1% that give everyone else a bad name, like everywhere else in this industry and in life in general.

herby130 03-20-2012 08:57 AM

Any rumors about CLT for a crew base? Any thoughts if CLT would go senior or junior? I live in PNS.

DryMotorBoatin 03-20-2012 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by herby130 (Post 1154903)
Any rumors about CLT for a crew base? Any thoughts if CLT would go senior or junior? I live in PNS.

Announcement expected next week. Most people are saying it would go senior.doesn't mean you can't get it as a new hire but you'll be on reserve longer.

jackal24 03-21-2012 09:39 AM

I doubt it will be CLT. CAE seems a lot more likely.

FlyingLow62 03-22-2012 06:49 AM

Does anyone know if LGA is a senior or junior base?

Systemized 03-22-2012 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingLow62 (Post 1156107)
Does anyone know if LGA is a senior or junior base?

It appears LGA is senior.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ior-bases.html

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...interview.html

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...onsin-qol.html

BlueSkiesAhead 03-22-2012 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingLow62 (Post 1156107)
Does anyone know if LGA is a senior or junior base?

It is senior at the moment, but if things go the way that they appear to be headed that will quickly change. With overnight aircraft returning to LGA the commutable schedules will quickly dry up, which will lead to a mass exodus of the senior folks.

Lawn 03-22-2012 03:05 PM

Announcement came today, RDU officially closing end of June with no replacement domicile.

el jefe 03-22-2012 04:26 PM

Sounds like no CLT, CAE, BOS, or any other dream base people were wishing for.

DCA, LGA, ORF, PHL


That's it.

expediteplease 03-22-2012 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by BlueSkiesAhead (Post 1156223)
It is senior at the moment, but if things go the way that they appear to be headed that will quickly change. With overnight aircraft returning to LGA the commutable schedules will quickly dry up, which will lead to a mass exodus of the senior folks.

You may be correct, but where are these people going to go? Back to PHL or DCA where they will get an uncommutable schedule there as well? I still think that the top 15 people in LGA will be able to hold a commutable schedule, although with the way this crap company builds schedules, it could be like ORF in no time.

theHub 03-23-2012 09:31 AM

We've noticed many of you guys are single-engine taxiing now. What brought on that change? Last time fuel was high you still would taxi on both engines.

el jefe 03-23-2012 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by theHub (Post 1156758)
We've noticed many of you guys are single-engine taxiing now. What brought on that change? Last time fuel was high you still would taxi on both engines.

We do it so that Management can get wonderful Christmas bonuses.

fosters 03-23-2012 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by theHub (Post 1156758)
We've noticed many of you guys are single-engine taxiing now. What brought on that change? Last time fuel was high you still would taxi on both engines.

I don't SE taxi unless it's in CLT/LGA or there is a long line, really no point. Most times I start 'em both then shut one down if I need to. I wonder what others are doing?

SE taxi in PHL is stupid, you only save the time from the ramp to the 27R crossing then you have to be turning it. That's like 3 minutes tops, maybe 3 gals of gas?

727574drvr 03-24-2012 08:06 AM

fosters just sent you a PM

727574drvr 03-24-2012 08:40 AM

You guys make some interesting points, and while I have not had the pleasure of flying the CRJ, on the Boeings, we always taxi out with all turning, and on taxi in with shut one down. Also, at altitude, if LRC is FL370 and .78, if we fly FL350 and .82 to .84, we beat the snot out of the LRC Flight Plan. I realize this may seem like apples and oranges, but I think the wing sweep on your A/C is about the same as the Boeings; 37 degrees (?). FWIW, IMHO. Happy Motoring!

fosters 03-24-2012 09:36 AM

How did you use my numbers? You averaged a 10 min taxi over the entire fleet for a year and added more savings for taxi in. You can't use non-averaged #'s as an average. If you are going to do that you have to use 6 mins as that is the average taxi out. Then you said 5:01 on two engines saves $3.8 mil which was your original math, yet that was for a 10 min taxi plus additional taxi in savings.

You're not being consistent.

I did change them. That is why I posted above and questioned your 3.8 mil savings.

Regardless, getting further away from the point, there is a time and place for SE taxi.

Look at going from 250 to 300 on the flight plan, maybe 100-200# savings in a typical flight. 30# of savings from taxiing. 130-230# of fuel? You are going to be running out of gas by not going econ and not SE taxiing? Not saying you should not do it, but let's cut this dramatic crap. People going balls to the wall aren't anywhere near in danger of flaming out the engines because of it.

saab2000 03-24-2012 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by DLAJ77 (Post 1157254)
Just as a heads up YOU dont single engine taxi, your captain does and he or she will decide when they want to.

Thank you for pointing this out. Telling someone they need to 'practice' this is :eek:

There are a lot of factors in play.

S/E taxi when appropriate but not when not. I'm not interested in showing up at the runway not ready to go because the F/O feels I need 'practice' in how to operate an airplane I have close to 7000 hours flying.

fosters 03-24-2012 10:59 AM

Now you are making things up. Going from 250 to 320 will not double your burn on that flight unless you keep flaps and gear down. Maybe 100#-200# extra.

fosters 03-24-2012 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 1157298)
So after declaring min fuel, did YOU state clearly and assertively "I am not comfortable flying at 320 knots with our minimum fuel situation. I feel that is is safer and prudent to slow down and significantly reduce our fuel consumption."

If so, what was the response? This story sounds fishy. I don't know of any captain here (even the bad ones) who would flat out say "NO" to that.

If this guy truly is a ground instructor I'm guessing this story was fabricated. Also with an alt you'd be planned to land at well over 2900#. So many things not adding up here.

detpilot 03-24-2012 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 1157303)
If this guy truly is a ground instructor I'm guessing this story was fabricated. Also with an alt you'd be planned to land at well over 2900#. So many things not adding up here.

Quite frankly, his grammar has me suspicious of the idea that he is a ground instructor. And I have been posting from a cell phone!

el jefe 03-24-2012 11:36 AM

So it was the Capt's last leg before going home, flying fast to make a commute. I am ok with flying a high speed last leg, but why not ask for "Capt's fuel" while still on the ground so you can burn/go fast as much as you want?

Seems like we have been tankering the **** out of certain legs and landing min fuel on others.

Cessnan1315efw 03-24-2012 12:12 PM

is there a way to see your seniority number or see the seniority list for each base somewhere in crew self service?


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