Originally Posted by waterboy
(Post 2424000)
Can expressjet fly it after they shift all their Delta flying over to Skywest?
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Wrong....reference Republic Airlines which operated at least 3 separate certificates, Republic, Shuttle America and Chitty Kitty. Republic had 190's on certificate which was not allowed per the DAL CBA. Therefore they didn't fly for DAL, the shuttle cert did with the same pilots same contract just separate certificates.
SkyWest is dissolving the ASQ certificate under the DCI brand strictly to use that cerfticate to fly larger (76+ 86,000+) under the AS brand, mark the tapes. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2424135)
Not if Skywest owns or controls them.
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Originally Posted by waterboy
(Post 2424198)
Are you sure? In addition to THE SHAFTs reference, I believe this was also the reason GoJets started. TSA was not allowed to fly anything larger than 50 seaters because of their ASA with AA. So a new certificate was made and they started flying CRJ-700 and 900s for UA.
Exception: If a carrier or an affiliate of a carrier that performs category A or C operations acquires an aircraft that would cause the Company to no longer be in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 D. 2. c., the Company will terminate such operations on the date that is the later of the date such aircraft is placed in revenue service, or nine months from the date that the Company first became aware of the potential acquisition. |
I always get a little chuckle of how amateur lawyer pilots INSIST how air tight their scope clauses are, and brag about the severe penalties that will rain down for disrespecting their authorit-ay. Then in a few years, the real lawyers, who make millions a year to do this, find a loophole, bribe them, or back them into a corner to the scope line moves again. Wash, rinse repeat.
I think the possibility of SkyWest operating the MRJ on the ASQ certificate actually makes a lot of sense. And despite blathering and chest thumping by legacy pilots online, they will most likely get away with it. Worst case scenario, SkyWest tells DAL to pound sand. That relationship isn't the greatest anyhow. The solution is, and always has been one list for all. No more alter ego, no more 2nd/3rd tier pilots. All branded aircraft flown by pilots on that seniority list. Unfortunately, this battle has been fought and litigated since the late 90s and instead of the logical, but undesired solution, short sighted legacy pilots keep trying to build higher border walls instead of welcome stations. As long as they keep doing that, management will keep winning. |
Originally Posted by ecam
(Post 2424302)
Unfortunately, this battle has been fought and litigated since the late 90s and instead of the logical, but undesired solution, short sighted legacy pilots keep trying to build higher border walls instead of welcome stations. As long as they keep doing that, management will keep winning.
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Originally Posted by ecam
(Post 2424302)
I always get a little chuckle of how amateur lawyer pilots INSIST how air tight their scope clauses are, and brag about the severe penalties that will rain down for disrespecting their authorit-ay. Then in a few years, the real lawyers, who make millions a year to do this, find a loophole, bribe them, or back them into a corner to the scope line moves again. Wash, rinse repeat.
I think the possibility of SkyWest operating the MRJ on the ASQ certificate actually makes a lot of sense. And despite blathering and chest thumping by legacy pilots online, they will most likely get away with it. Worst case scenario, SkyWest tells DAL to pound sand. That relationship isn't the greatest anyhow. The solution is, and always has been one list for all. No more alter ego, no more 2nd/3rd tier pilots. All branded aircraft flown by pilots on that seniority list. Unfortunately, this battle has been fought and litigated since the late 90s and instead of the logical, but undesired solution, short sighted legacy pilots keep trying to build higher border walls instead of welcome stations. As long as they keep doing that, management will keep winning. US Pilots are expensive. There's no doubt about it that left to their own devices, airline mgmt would hire regional airline contractors to fly all domestic narrowbody aircraft and would codeshare/JV all international flying. This would allow them to control labor completely by taking away flying whenever any particular group started to get "too expensive". |
Originally Posted by full of luv
(Post 2424643)
The "walls" you bemoan, ie "scope clauses" are the legacy pilots only attempts to stem the tide of Airline Mgmts attempt to place all flying as at "regional" rates.
US Pilots are expensive. There's no doubt about it that left to their own devices, airline mgmt would hire regional airline contractors to fly all domestic narrowbody aircraft and would codeshare/JV all international flying. This would allow them to control labor completely by taking away flying whenever any particular group started to get "too expensive". But JV. Yeah. You guys sure screwed the pooch on that one. You're worried about RJs while Chinese and Mexican pilots are replacing you for less than the senior RJ pilots make. Attaboy Captain. Way to keep your eye on the ball! |
Originally Posted by ecam
(Post 2424302)
I always get a little chuckle of how amateur lawyer pilots INSIST how air tight their scope clauses are, and brag about the severe penalties that will rain down for disrespecting their authorit-ay. Then in a few years, the real lawyers, who make millions a year to do this, find a loophole, bribe them, or back them into a corner to the scope line moves again. Wash, rinse repeat.
I think the possibility of SkyWest operating the MRJ on the ASQ certificate actually makes a lot of sense. And despite blathering and chest thumping by legacy pilots online, they will most likely get away with it. Worst case scenario, SkyWest tells DAL to pound sand. That relationship isn't the greatest anyhow. The solution is, and always has been one list for all. No more alter ego, no more 2nd/3rd tier pilots. All branded aircraft flown by pilots on that seniority list. Unfortunately, this battle has been fought and litigated since the late 90s and instead of the logical, but undesired solution, short sighted legacy pilots keep trying to build higher border walls instead of welcome stations. As long as they keep doing that, management will keep winning. You are right the best long term solution is one list for all mainline and regional operations. You start as a legacy new hire FO on a Q400 or RJ and let seniority work you up from there to bigger planes. But until that day, scope is very important. |
Originally Posted by ecam
(Post 2424812)
That was so dumb it must be flame bait. Yes, I'm sure Delta Air Lines wants to contract its MD/757/767/777s to regionals as it shutters the regionals and flies 717s/MDs and soon CS to all the cities said regionals used to fly to. You're livin' in the 90s man! The cost savings isn't there anymore, and the quality of the product sucks. In house is the mode now.
But JV. Yeah. You guys sure screwed the pooch on that one. You're worried about RJs while Chinese and Mexican pilots are replacing you for less than the senior RJ pilots make. Attaboy Captain. Way to keep your eye on the ball! |
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