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ecam 09-04-2017 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2424856)
Don't worry about it ecam, once cabotage is ever lifted, every american pilot will be too expensive unless they agree to work for a contract company based in Singapore for crap wages.

Thanks Captain Happy Pants.

G4IND 09-04-2017 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Outdoors (Post 2420705)
"AS Plans to Launch in 30 More Markets by 2018"

Keyboard being "By". My understanding is that basically all these routes were added this year, and are primarily Skywest/horizon. Just wait till they bring on the MRJ! No scope, no problem with that!

Hmmm, interesting it seems AS is kind of sitting on their hands, while DL/WN/UA are putting up a big fights in SEA/SAN/SFO/SJC/and CA.

AS needs to respond soon, and I think PDX is a great place to do that... Although AS has most of the PacNW covered from PDX, so they will probably need to utilize some 737s or VX aircraft to add some trans-con flights.

sailingfun 09-05-2017 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2424302)
I always get a little chuckle of how amateur lawyer pilots INSIST how air tight their scope clauses are, and brag about the severe penalties that will rain down for disrespecting their authorit-ay. Then in a few years, the real lawyers, who make millions a year to do this, find a loophole, bribe them, or back them into a corner to the scope line moves again. Wash, rinse repeat.

I think the possibility of SkyWest operating the MRJ on the ASQ certificate actually makes a lot of sense. And despite blathering and chest thumping by legacy pilots online, they will most likely get away with it. Worst case scenario, SkyWest tells DAL to pound sand. That relationship isn't the greatest anyhow.

The solution is, and always has been one list for all. No more alter ego, no more 2nd/3rd tier pilots. All branded aircraft flown by pilots on that seniority list.

Unfortunately, this battle has been fought and litigated since the late 90s and instead of the logical, but undesired solution, short sighted legacy pilots keep trying to build higher border walls instead of welcome stations. As long as they keep doing that, management will keep winning.

The lawyers at Mitsubishi and Embraer have been all over those scope clauses for the last 5 years and they have not cracked them. The E2 is on hold hoping they change. The MRJ is on the slow boat to China because there is no point in entering production. More important than what you post is that if Skywest wants to operate those airframes they become a competitor and nobody is going to subsidize a competitor by giving them flying. Read the many statements by the CEO's of the above companies on scope and report back what you find.

waterboy 09-05-2017 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2425196)
The lawyers at Mitsubishi and Embraer have been all over those scope clauses for the last 5 years and they have not cracked them. The E2 is on hold hoping they change. The MRJ is on the slow boat to China because there is no point in entering production. More important than what you post is that if Skywest wants to operate those airframes they become a competitor and nobody is going to subsidize a competitor by giving them flying. Read the many statements by the CEO's of the above companies on scope and report back what you find.

Didnt expressjet keep their CoEx flying while they operated their own branded flying. And what about Republic with Midwest express?

I'm not saying the MRJ flying will or will not happen, but history isnt in our favor. Lawyers seem to find loopholes in everything.

G4IND 09-06-2017 03:30 AM

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...r-175s-440874/

"US regional carrier SkyWest Airlines has ordered 25 Embraer 175s, of which 15 will initially be configured with 70 seats."

"It states that all of the jets are due to be delivered in 2018. "

Interesting....

juventus 09-06-2017 09:48 AM

15 to Delta , 10 to Alaska . Great...

ImperialxRat 09-06-2017 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by juventus (Post 2425905)
15 to Delta , 10 to Alaska . Great...

Part of that grow the market with RJs.... and then keep the route on an RJ.

greaser 09-06-2017 10:56 AM

10? There goes the 319 fleet.

Scope.... Are you listening, Alaska brothers & sisters???

Wynncore 09-06-2017 01:02 PM

I won't comment further but I cannot underscore more just how important and critical the forthcoming decision on scope is going to be.

ShyGuy 09-06-2017 02:08 PM

Alaska is getting Skywest to do some CRJ-200 flying on its behalf "temporarily" to fill in the Horizon shortage gap.


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