I didn't know it was possible to be "spoiled" by a sub-standard profit sharing plan.

What was Delta's percentage again?

Even virgins was 14+%

As a co-worker, I’d suggest that whether or not we maintain a cost advantage or have a cost structure that renders us unable to compete is my business, pilot or not. And unlike others here, I’ve not resorted to ad-hominem attacks because my opinion differs from that of others. Also, with due respect, I’ve not seen anywhere in the rules of this forum where identifying yourself is a requirement to exchange ideas. If it is, please show me where, and I’ll be on my way. If it’s not, also with respect, I’d ask that the moderators only interject as a mod when or if forum rules are violated.

Change name to EA CO AS POS

Rules include no flamebait, non-pilots interjecting into airline pilot business very quickly reaches that threshold. Your interests are not our interests in every case. You're welcome to identify yourself (by what you are, not necessarily who you are) and address shared areas of interest. But in this conversation you are a guest, and that's the way it is and always has been (hence Airline Pilot Central, vice Airline Employee Central). I'm sure you have your own forums to engage in heated debates with your own peers. Same for 15-year old pilot wannabes, tolerated but only a little bit.

We're all pilots. What are you, a FA? MX? DX?

-We are cutting routes and frequency while other airlines are rapidly increasing out put.

-we have a management team who believes the right course of action is to provide a far inferior product while other airlines race to provide better amenities

-we have a management team who is too short sighted to see what's on the horizon (no pun intended) in terms of pilot recruitment and detainment (auto corrected from retention but detainment is actually more suitable.)

-most new flying is being given away hand over foot to regional carriers while we have nothing in place to protect our jobs and trust our product to be flown largely by an external non controllable entity

-a far inferior profit sharing plan.. and a joke of a monthly incentive plan that in order to trigger a payout would have to hit unattainable metrics in the airports that are our hubs

-a management team who somehow does not see that they are losing the California battle and quickly. Virgin customer numbers are down and will
continue to plummet because our product has gone belly up since as took over. Nothing is ever fixed, catering has been slashed, and metics are so important that we strive for on time more than getting people onboard... alaska will not "bear the fruits of this merger" if it does not change course quickly, all of our customers are going to JetBlue, not AS. That's because alaska is a boring old regional airline that killed off virgin, people do not know Alaska airlines exists, or now that virgin is going away are going back to Expedia and becoming fare shoppers again.


EA CO AS, maybe you're right about this not being a rudderless ship... I think this ship very much has a rudder... a rudder being steered by a blind skipper that's too stupid to admit he can no longer see and is driving the ship right into a rock jagged shore. Hope you have a life raft, because a much larger percentage of this pilot group than you think has applications out to other (much better) legacy carriers in attempts to secure our own life rafts. The sooner that you and management realize that without us, the company will crumble (faster than it already is), then the sooner you can steer the ship away from shore.
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This has got to be the first time in APC history that a shill management troll unashamedly admitted to being such!

You guys have a very bold management group over there! I hope you all continue to stand strong, and eventually prevail for all of us in the industry.

Sad to see VX killed off. Probably their biggest mistake. Should have gone the other way. VX was a national brand. AS has a long way to go.

Didja ever wonder why people hate airline pilots? Yeah...that's why.

This thread is not a popularity contest, it's a business discussion.

A business discussion...you can't be serious Rick.

Let's be honest, this is a pilot ***** board...nothing more. It is a place where the angry elves and malcontents at each airline come to vent about their unhappy lives when they are done beating off to midget porn in the hotel room, wannabe airline CEOs who barely made it thru Riddle with degree in "Aeronautics" or Chico State with "Business" degree come to tell everyone how to run an airline, the poor military guys come to get a clue, a few witty souls come to crack jokes, the creative guys come to troll the jackwagons who are too f'ing stupid to know they are being trolled, and the rest of us drop by from time to time to eat some popcorn and watch the circus.

A business discussion...please. Don't make me laugh. You guys do a fine and thankless job moderating this sh1tsh0w but let's accept it for what it is, eh?