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Nick1984 11-22-2017 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2470283)
Ironically if Alaska Air Group would have just agreed to guarantee Delta the feed it needed via code share to build a Far East hub out of Seattle, they'd probably have grown by 30% over the last few years as Delta became increasingly reliant on AK's feed. Instead they said shove off and the race is on to build a hub suitable to feed international from SEA. Probably works for mgmt's interest, but the pilots.... time will tell.

Neat speculation. Does not matter moving forward.

full of luv 11-22-2017 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Nick1984 (Post 2470538)
Neat speculation. Does not matter moving forward.

Ture dat.....

Best of luck in 2020 and I hope that AK pilots become the best paid 737 pilots in the world!

EA CO AS 11-22-2017 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2470283)
Ironically if Alaska Air Group would have just agreed to guarantee Delta the feed it needed via code share to build a Far East hub out of Seattle, they'd probably have grown by 30% over the last few years as Delta became increasingly reliant on AK's feed. Instead they said shove off and the race is on to build a hub suitable to feed international from SEA. Probably works for mgmt's interest, but the pilots.... time will tell.

Given the amount of revenue coming in via codeshares and partnerships at that time (keep in mind, DL demanded AS sever ALL their codeshare and partner relationships and remain solely wedded to DL) the ask from DL was one that only benefited them, and would have made AS far more vulnerable to no longer being a standalone entity long-term.

While the DL relationship is now over, the organic growth alone at AS since DL entered the SEA market as a full-fledged hub operation has more than offset the loss of the DL revenue, and AS has added other partners since then, making Mileage Plan more attractive, not less.

I'd suggest that all that growth is in the best interest of everyone, pilots included. But that's just me...

pete2800 11-22-2017 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by EA CO AS (Post 2470650)
Given the amount of revenue coming in via codeshares and partnerships at that time (keep in mind, DL demanded AS sever ALL their codeshare and partner relationships and remain solely wedded to DL) the ask from DL was one that only benefited them, and would have made AS far more vulnerable to no longer being a standalone entity long-term.

While the DL relationship is now over, the organic growth alone at AS since DL entered the SEA market as a full-fledged hub operation has more than offset the loss of the DL revenue, and AS has added other partners since then, making Mileage Plan more attractive, not less.

I'd suggest that all that growth is in the best interest of everyone, pilots included. But that's just me...

Yeah, you'd be right except for that most of the growth has been with sub-contracted regional jets operated by Skywest, because the company has fought tooth-and-nail against any contractual language oriented around job security for pilots.

N19906 11-22-2017 07:00 PM

But that helps AAG’s bottom line, doesn’t it? And not us.

When we get to that point, just remember one thing: he who dares, wins.
And if you’re not willing to burn the place to the ground, you lose.

Because management is willing, and they assume we’re chumps.

EA CO AS 11-22-2017 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by N19906 (Post 2470774)
if you’re not willing to burn the place to the ground, you lose.

So does every one of your non-pilot co-workers as well; are you saying you're ok with putting thousands of people out of work in the name of saying, "Ha! I sure showed you guys!" to Brad and Ben?

EA CO AS 11-22-2017 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by N19906 (Post 2470774)
But that helps AAG’s bottom line, doesn’t it? And not us.

I always thought that anything that helped AAG ultimately helped the employees as well, especially considering how many employees 401(k) plans involve AAG stock.

As much as I love working for AS, I'd also like to retire someday, and an "I'll burn this place down!" mentality doesn't help advance career stability for our co-workers. Or our customers, for that matter.

NotTellin 11-22-2017 07:55 PM

Why do you guys continue to engage a non pilot management shill? One that created there APC account less than a month ago! If you ignore them they will go away.

beancounter 11-22-2017 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2470283)
Ironically if Alaska Air Group would have just agreed to guarantee Delta the feed it needed via code share to build a Far East hub out of Seattle, they'd probably have grown by 30% over the last few years as Delta became increasingly reliant on AK's feed. Instead they said shove off and the race is on to build a hub suitable to feed international from SEA. Probably works for mgmt's interest, but the pilots.... time will tell.

That wasn't Delta's only request. They also wanted Alaska to drop the codeshare with American.

pete2800 11-22-2017 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by EA CO AS (Post 2470775)
So does every one of your non-pilot co-workers as well; are you saying you're ok with putting thousands of people out of work in the name of saying, "Ha! I sure showed you guys!" to Brad and Ben?

The capacity will be flown. If not by one carrier, then by another. There will be jobs, and if the company that was paying less than the average is the one that suffers, then those jobs will be better as a result.

If the lower-paying companies are eliminated, the average compensation goes up. This is good for labor.


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