Do you know why Alaska FAs get holiday pay?
 

Because they called in sick so much on holidays that the company was forced to give it to them. Things that make you go hmmm.

It also guarantees the super senoras will pick up/trade for the time.

This pilot group has no backbone.

We have guys tripping over themselves to accomplish the mission and/or pick up premium trips.

Making cabin PAs, not wearing the lanyard, not reading E-Mails from the MEC, not voting, not contacting their reps, not filing grievances, & believing everything management & TK tell them.

They are beyond apathetic, but at the same time whine about how the "union" should do this or that.

Each pilot needs to look in the mirror.

We have too many selfish Kool-Aid types among us.

Well you are about to get 1,000 pilots that do not buy into of that crap.

I'm getting sick of hearing VX act holier than thou and slinging mud our way. Your side has plenty of yes men picking up open time and working on vacation or just outright selling it and whoring themselfs out. Your premium pay emails get covered fast. We aren't perfect and have long ways to go but your side came in with no contract and no future. They hemorraghed cash and lost more than they ever earned. You had nothing and this merger gives you a 5th place contract which is much better than what you would have gotten if you stood alone. Stop attacking us and work together for a change.

From where? If you are referring to VX, I thought there were only about 700 pilots there who had never negotiated a contract on there own. Maybe you know something I don’t?

Well, we just caved on the lanyards.

...and I'm not blaming the MEC or the joint negotiating committee.

I blame the weak pilots who didn't believe in wearing them.

Can someone explain to me how switching to blue does NOT constitute caving/rolling over/etc to management's demands? Because ALPA seems to be painting this as some kind of win for us, or at least not a loss. ALPA can rationalize it however they want until the cows come home by saying that "blue sends the same message of unity" but at the end of the day, TK/management told us the orange needed to go and that it could be replaced by the blue even though they had no contractual basis to stand on and no legal avenues through which to discipline us for non-compliance, we pouted for a little while and posted lots of orange memes and pretended to be rebellious bad-a$$es, and now not even two weeks later they got what they wanted and the orange is gone, just like that.

ALPA wants us to believe that wearing the blue will send the same message, but the blue one is the one that's explicitly approved by the manuals, and plus it matches the uniform! The whole point of the orange, as I see it, was that it clashes horribly with both navy blue and dark grey/black. And all of this nonsense culminates in... drum roll... us filing a grievance?? Oh wow I bet management is really shaking in their boots now!! At least this stupid charade is over and we can get back to whining about things that matter, such as literally anything else.

A lot of these guys have decades of experience at other alpa carriers, have seen multiple contract negotiation cycles, and have more backbone than you think.


And we actually had holiday pay up until we adopted your awesome contract.

The latest bridge email also stated that a chief’s wife harassed a pilot about his lanyard. Anyone know what base that was in?

I bet he knows how to properly use their/there in a sentence. Obviously you dont.
Alaska pilots....arrogant, uneducated, and stuck in a bubble that has been theirs for far to long.
VA pilots didnt ask for this crap sandwich and you should be happy that the VA MEC was at the table with a backbone. Your YES men have put your precious POS airline so far back in the dark ages it is really pathetic.
Your hubris is unbelievable....but understandable.

We are at around 1,000 pilots now and counting as far as I know. As far as your other statements, I believe they have been well covered by a few other individuals.

The real reason FAs get holiday pay is because twenty years ago they adopted the Southwest contract. The have kept it because of sick time use and they have not bargained it away yet.

Spin it however you want. I assure you, Alaska FAs have holiday pay is because without it, there would be major staffing issues.

I wish! I could go straight to line holder CA then. We have system seniority numbers over 1,000 but that is a useless number. When guys leave the company for any reason, their system seniority is not retired. It ends up having a cumulative effect as guys retire/leave and in turn ends up being a useless number.

Including the 10 newhires that started at VX on Dec 11th, we have approx 850 total pilots.

I wish we could avoid the my airplane is better than your airplane, and my airline is/was better than your airline bs. There are a ton of Alaska pilots that want something better. And I’m willing to bet a bunch of VX pilots are going to to end up in front of them in the SLI debate that’s ongoing... Please don’t pretend that VX was better than Alaska in any regard, it simply wasn’t.

Not sure why you're quoting my post, I didn't say those things.

Conde Nast and Travel and Leisure Reader's Choice awards say different. Its been a better experience for the guests--or as you call them "passengers". Your screen name shows that you mainline company kool-aide through an enema. But keep talking, its nice of you to remove all doubt

I see the flaw. Thanks.

We just had a comm about this on the alaskasworld page... what they said was that those awards were awarded by people who loved the “idea” of Virgin America but who never actually purchased tickets and flew on the airline, which explains how VX keeps winnning those awards despite having much lower customer satisfaction numbers than Alaska. It’s what they told us to explain the discrepancy between the current customer satisfaction numbers and your awards...

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The kool-aid is strong in this one :rolleyes:

Edit: I'd just like to point out that you're basically saying the Virgin brand is stronger than Alaska's if thats the only reason they won T&L all those years:p...

To get back on thread, it's because FAs have cajones.
Second of all, Alaskan is a mega regional with worse-than-regional work rules. Alaskan's pay is higher than a regional but that's about the only positive. VX is/was a glorified regional-Mesa with shiny Airbuses. It's on par with Allegiant except they are still kicking and VX is not; VX is/was like a cheap prostitute dressed up nicely-think lipstick on pig. Alaska acquired Virgin, so what does that make Virgin? One POS company purchased a dying POS company. Thank your lucky stars that a holding company didn't buy you guys and piecemealed y'all out. You guys would have been Aloha II.

Do you know why Alaska FAs get holiday pay?
 

How long has VX had a unionized pilot group?

Many of them come from bankrupt union carriers... been around the block a few times. Maybe even better perspective than somebody who came out of mcchord or QX. For a startup, they were on the typical track to a union/ contract, doesn't happen over night.

This thread is a gift, wrapped and lovingly placed under the tree for the guys sitting across the table from us at negotiation time. What in the world are you guys airing your dirty laundry on here for? The gift that keeps on giving! All I want for Christmas is a unified pilot group.

This whole dick measuring is just what management wants. A divided pilot group who will get them 50% +1.

Exactly. This is counter productive and immature.

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You can wish all you want....hope you like your lump of coal.

I think that we are unified in knowing that mgmnt is AFU. Both airlines have their warts. The problem comes from the "my **** don't stink" mentality of a few individuals. Hence--the guy with an kool-aide enema.

The pilots with the”Alaska is the best place ever and long live Boeing” come from on of three groups here at Marley Air. The Myopic Horizon Drones, The Gigity Mchordites or the Sophmoric Legacy Brats....With the welcome ground swell of Virgin Eskimoes coming we may have a chance of drowning those 3 groups forever. Here is to hoping

For every QX drone, there's another who's even more rage-filled due to their double dose of Air Group BS. I know several recent QX hires, and stronger/more militant pilots are hard to find.

Ha!!! Yeah. Right. Sorry, gonna have to call supreme Bullschitt on that one.

Ok, Eskimo Joe’s post is a perfect example of what I meant earlier by “the gift (to management) that keeps on giving”. Half a dozen posts urging everyone to stop and then this, as if none of that happened. Joe, how do you justify continuing this on this forum?

You guys having your irrelevant arguments on this forum is like two tomcats staring each other down oblivious to everything going on around them, including the coyotes that want to eat them for lunch. This is a threat to all of us. I hate to stifle people’s free expression but again, “Please don’t air your dirty laundry on these forums!”

My understanding of how the FA's got holiday pay is this: Flight Attendants were calling in sick for holidays, which prompted managers to meet flight attendants in the jetways following their trips and assigning them to work over the holidays that they had bid off. They were senior enough to hold holidays off, but were forced to work or face discipline. This then led to flight attendants calling in sick for the entire week before holidays so they wouldn't get forced to work on a day off. Then the company had huge staffing problems which forced them to strike a deal to get people to show up.

About 2 years. OTOH a lot of us have 15 through 35 year pins and gold and silver battle stars.

To steal some Virgin Atlantic marketing: Virgin. More experience than our name implies.

We come to drink your beer and shag your women! :)

Yes, mostly correct but the year was ‘93, 25 years ago. CEO Ray Vecci settled F/A contract negotiations by agreeing to a deal that adopted SW contract which included double time for holiday pay. For better or worse they lost crew meals, migrated to ‘trip’ (formerly hourly) pay, sick leave point system and ability to work above 85 hour cap with no upper limit.

They would be a new addition and as long as they stay focused on Brad, Ben and Tom and not on our new brethren and sistren then they will be a welcome addition to the “No” vote club....

Ummmmmm......6th place once Spirit leapfrogs us!

Well you’d better sack up and get used to it. NONE of us want to be Alaska pilots and hate that we are your comrades now. While this place is certainly so awful because of the leadership, it is almost equal blame to the spineless pilot group that calls themselves alaska that agreed to bend over for management. Latest case to point at is immeadiately caving on orange lanyards. Alaska is awful, you needed us more than we needed you.

BiloxiJack, to bad your post from a couple of weeks ago was deleted. The one you calling ALL Alaska pilots dilusional F$&*#)@. Way to set the tone flamer! Anyway I can only speak for myself in saying that I don’t want any of you on our seniority list. But it is what it is! I’m gonna “sack up” and extend a hand and make the best of it with our new adopted flight crew members. Maybe we can change some things in the future with our asswipe AirGroup parents.
You should take your angry ass and “sack up” and polish your resume skills and move on to maybe JetBlue perhaps........bye BiloxiJack!