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Mea25000 05-29-2018 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by OCCP (Post 2604989)
The email today about the Airbus displacement bid was interesting as well because it mentioned a huge block hour reduction for fall in addition to a base closure. That should concern the jr Boeing guys too because once the list gets integrated, we may be looking at furloughs


Furloughs, your on drugs. Looks like three fall Boeing classes. Airbus looks staffed appropriately for the next 12-24 months depending on resignations

echelon 05-29-2018 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by OCCP (Post 2604989)
The email today about the Airbus displacement bid was interesting as well because it mentioned a huge block hour reduction for fall in addition to a base closure. That should concern the jr Boeing guys too because once the list gets integrated, we may be looking at furloughs

I see 248 SFO FO's as of 9/1 and an estimated 147 bid blocks. Does that mean ~147 lines and a HUNDRED FO's on reserve? 40% of the base?

ShyGuy 05-29-2018 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by MiLtoMajor123 (Post 2604645)
Boo Birds everywhere. I'm newish soooo I guess I don't count....but it's not that bad and beats a 9-5 desk job. Bottom line is it's a good job despite what people try and say....it's squabbling about how much better a good job can be....that's about it. Yes the company does pit the pilot groups against each other.....but then again ....it's the Unions job to pit us against the company (for good reason). So we get propaganda from BOTH camps constantly. Yes we need to be unified ....and not roll over and be yes men for our next contract, but we don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water either. Fear mongering and hysteria don't help.....just know that the airline industry has a 10 year cycle and be prepared in case there is a down turn (aka don't live above your means.....aka don't take out a housing loan more than a 1/3 of your paycheck and try and live off of 1/2 a paycheck). I don't care who you are that is just solid life advise whatever the economy is doing.

Your username is appropriate. Alaska your first airline? Were you McChord and drive to SEA? If so, yes it's a great airline job.

Bugaboo 05-29-2018 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2605001)
The Fall pull down is SOP. Happens every Fall at every airline. I wouldn't read too deep into that. Certainly not so deep to fear furloughs.

September 1st (estimated after displaced JFK crews go to SFO/LAX)
SFO Captains/First Officers: 269/248
Bid Blocks: 147

LAX Captains/First Officers: 180/177
Bid Blocks: 137

I seriously hope this is not what is considered SOP!
If you estimate 22 build up lines in each base that leaves you with 100 Reserve Captains in SFO and about 80 Reserve First Officers. What is that....about a 38% reserve coverage for Captains and a little less than that for First Officers?!:eek: LAX is a little better but not much. 23%?
What has the reserve percentage been in the past year? 12-13%?
Not on drugs! How long will this last without downgrades and furloughs?
Isn't there a timeframe established in the TPA that outlines a timeframe that disallows furloughs?

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, this may be due to some airframes going in for paint and a Fall pull down but......DAMN!!!

ShyGuy 05-29-2018 09:38 PM

The most shocking thing is their response on commutability and commutable lines.

Dang! :eek:

echelon 05-29-2018 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2605011)
The most shocking thing is their response on commutability and commutable lines.

Dang! :eek:

Didn't see that, what'd they say? Or did you just mean the mock lines?

Bugaboo 05-29-2018 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2605011)
The most shocking thing is their response on commutability and commutable lines.

Dang! :eek:

What was the response? Something in the area of...
"We want our pilots to live in domicile so you 80% commuters from Virgin America are f^(%d? We don't care about your quality of life or family, we just want to build the most efficient pairings we can in order to reduce costs."?
Knowing Alaska management, and I guess I don't blame them, that would be pretty close?

Mea25000 05-29-2018 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by Bugaboo (Post 2605008)
September 1st (estimated after displaced JFK crews go to SFO/LAX)
SFO Captains/First Officers: 269/248
Bid Blocks: 147

LAX Captains/First Officers: 180/177
Bid Blocks: 137

I seriously hope this is not what is considered SOP!
If you estimate 22 build up lines in each base that leaves you with 100 Reserve Captains in SFO and about 80 Reserve First Officers. What is that....about a 38% reserve coverage for Captains and a little less than that for First Officers?!:eek: LAX is a little better but not much. 23%?
What has the reserve percentage been in the past year? 12-13%?
Not on drugs! How long will this last without downgrades and furloughs?
Isn't there a timeframe established in the TPA that outlines a timeframe that disallows furloughs?

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, this may be due to some airframes going in for paint and a Fall pull down but......DAMN!!!

147 + 27-33 open flying lines = 180
68 on RSV a little fat but it’s that time of year. AS is expecting 30 VX pilots to walk in the next 12 mos. If Airbus doesn’t come back with a good number $$$ on switching all those 320 options to 321. You will all be slowly reduced to the Boeing side. There will be no furloughs.

ShyGuy 05-29-2018 11:01 PM

What are OF lines?

MusicPilot 05-30-2018 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2605020)
What are OF lines?


Open lines of flying.

What’s created when the conflicts drop trips into the open pot.


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