All while not growing at all and watching the real airlines stomp us out

6-10 years? Alaska will be swallowed up before that. There’s no more hiding out in the little PNW. Either they’re gonna put their big boy britches on and play ball or they’re gonna end up playing behind the visitors dugout playing cup ball.

Yeah right. More like playing dodge ball, because everyone will be taking shots at us. SW intra California and Hawaii, Delta in SEA, and United in SFO.

Posted where?

Email from a few hours ago

Effective September 1 before the final integration. Fold the Airbus pilots into the Airbus bases. Minimize cross training. Very easy to predict what this company is going to do regardless of their statements about “studying” this or that. Now do you believe us when we say that the no Airbus leases are going to be renewed.

I don't know why everyone is so blase about the parking of the Airbusses. It's a huge reduction in mainline airframes that will have to be replaced. Not sure why everyone sucks at math, but Alaska doesn't have enough MAX orders on the books to make up the difference.

Even the old timers should be concerned. This is a ton of reorganizing, displacing, and probable reduction to deal with.

Uhm, you sir also need to read a little more thoroughly or not just repeat what you hear from others. Alaska has plenty of firm orders and options to replace all of the air buses and grow some on top. Maybe start with counting to 20, you can use your fingers and toes that way.

I don’t consider delaying orders as “firm” orders. Maybe you should come out of that koolaid fountain and see what reality looks like. It’s gotta be fatiguing drinking all that punch!

You've been consistently ignorant throughout your short life here on APC - keeping the streak alive I see.

Here. Educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska...#Current_fleet

43 incoming orders. We have 63 A319/A320s. Hopefully you recognize that's about 20 short. I even used my fingers and toes.

Nice try junior flyer, is that your final answer or are you ready to look stupid.

All I hear is barking.

I think it’s gargling you hear.

Ok here is a hint, how many options does Alaska have on top of firm orders? In the past 85 years how many of Alaska’s Boeing options did it not take. Good luck, and you guys wonder why you are so screwed up on this SLI.

You gonna need more then fingers and toes for this equation, buy a calculator

Yeah, you're gonna have to source your BS on that one. I've been scouring the internet since the acquisition for news about orders and options, and there ain't nothing about OPTIONS.

No press releases.
No sign of it on the order tally.

Even on BOEING'S OWN WEBSITE, there is no sign of additional MAX options.
https://i.imgur.com/oPr4Afb.png

So do us all a favor, and show us where these "Double-secret 737 options" are?

They have to be carved out of that PNW wood first. Then stained. It’s a long process. Not sure you need all your toes and fingers though.

Lighten up I am only screwing around, music seemed to have a sense of humor on the last one. I am sure you are both great guys. 46 additional options right now

Our order 2016
57 firm (43 left to take)
And
46 options

43 plus 46 =s. Wait for it 89 ding ding ding

Funny guy. I hope you realize we're all in the dark over here. They're making changes and from this vantage point - it looks f*cking grim.

I'm sure it looks better from the top of the stack with 2500 guys and girls to cushion the fall, but nonetheless the master plan seems to be anything but.

They just spent $2.5 billion on an airline to effectively dismantle it. That's insane from a business perspective. Talk about wasting resources. They say they wanted to compete in California, but all we're seeing is retreat.

So you'll have to excuse my lack of humor on the matter. I've got life decisions to make.

You’re not digesting the biggest part of what you said. THEY SPENT $2.5 BILLION ON AN AIRLINE TO EFFECTIVELY DISSMANTLE IT... Yes, this was an acquisition, not a merger. They did not want VX for VX, they wanted the space you took up. They didn’t want the hip vibe, they wanted to eliminate a competitor and keep JB out of their backyard for as long as possible, all while instantly growing to a size that staved off any takeover attempts. Ask any Air Tran guy if SW came to them and asked them for their opinions and ideas on how to integrate the Air Tran culture and vibe into SW or if what they were doing made sense. I’m sure they’ll give you an earful. SW ditched all the 717’s, consolidated where necessary, shoved the pilots onto the list and completely erased Air Tran from the books. How about AA’s purchase of TWA?? How long did that take to iron out? AA and SW worked through it all and are doing just fine. AS will be just fine as well. I understand your anger at losing your airline and empathize with those on the East Coast losing their base. I’ve been there myself. However, you guys keep letting your anger and anti AS sentiment dictate what you type here. Debating what VX could have done is a go nowhere argument. VX is gone. We may as well debate what a great airline America West could have been. Do yourself a huge favor and don’t let the negativity drain you. This is just a job, we’re still employed, we’re still insured, we’re still making decent livings. As you guys have repeatedly said, this ain’t your first rodeo, so if that’s the case, you should be accustomed to change. Can you name a 10 year period where dramatic changes haven’t occurred in the airlines?

You are missing the fact that 1 900=1.5 319’s and 1.x 320’s etc. It will not be a 1:1 replacement.

Doood, the biggest set back for us is that when people boarded Virgin for the first time, they said "Wow". We were something to be proud of. Now, were just alaska.

As far as I know, an A319 and a B739 have the same amount of pilot seats. It's a net loss as far as career progression.

Exactly! You didn’t even have to take your gloves off to figure that out. Just like the expectations prior to close of sale. AS was adding seats, while VX was growing frames. Even after that who gained in routes? It’s gonna get really interesting when WN starts Hawaii. Chuck Norris is coming for a fight!

However, its the SAME thing that happened to Western. And PSA. And Reno. Now VX. Why are you surprised?

Great. Those “Wow” people also didn’t pay your company enough to cover the costs. Everybody likes getting something for nothing but Alaska isn’t a Charity. I don’t care if our “guests” impressed or not. The vast majority just want to get where they’re going on time. Alaska Airlines is more than a sugar high and a cheeky ad campaign.

No dog in this, but I am a Cali guy...


VX's financial trajectory was typical for a startup, especially given the timing (recession, oil spike). They clearly appeared to be on the right track to keep making money and more of it. Cali people loved the brand, their only complaint was that they didn't fly to more places.

Not only that, you can’t compare a privately held airline to a publicly traded one. The VX investors were getting their money’s worth the whole time. Then they reaped the rewards heavily when they sold it to AS. I remember several times where management said we would’ve made money, but we had to make payments back to the investors. Then there’s the whole employee ownership scandal.

Dude,
I pegged you as a pretty smart person. A little negative but you always had a quick wit. What? you care about what? People getting off the plane, really, being proud? Ok, you will feel better if you care about the 5th and the 20th and start trying to be the first one off the plane, this will help you feel better!

What no! Come on. You are actually really funny at times. You have to be a smart guy. You can’t really believe this. Stop, step away, you will end up stocking shelves at Walmart when you retire. You are smarter then this!

I know it’s hard to believe facts. I see that you like to boast your financial position and that’s fine. No one really cares how much you have. It won’t buy you a personality. I grew up in this industry. I saw many people that thought they had it figured out. Blinded by their ignorance. That’s when you find yourself looking up the number for the truck driving school. A majority of the VX pilots have run the gauntlet. Become wise. Left the ignorance behind. See the reality in front of them. Sure they hope for the best, but always prepared for the worse. That koolaid you’re swimming in? That better than you complex you display will catch up to you.

Don't you guys get tired of going back and forth?? Hell I'm tired reading all the banter.

This ^^^^^^^

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These special people are doing their best to prove every place has their 10%+ of special people. The ignore function is a useful tool.