It’s amazing what you’ve accomplished without a college education, imagine what you could have done if you’d set your sights higher.

Alaska slowing growth...
 

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OTZeagle, You’re coming across as a douche. Stop bragging about your retirement accounts, net worth, and standing on the seniority list.

You have obviously done well and enjoy your quality of life and relative position on the list. But that doesn’t mean others haven’t suffered, or have had it as good. You don’t owe them anything, and they aren’t necessarily looking for sympathy. But empathy and UNDERSTANDING go a long way.

Listen, think, and then post. Your posts are all about how good you have it, without understanding that young entrants from VX have had (and will continue to have) a different career path than you (whether its schedule, living in base, etc).

I thought AS hired nice guys until I read a few threads where you’ve replied and given all of your brothers/sisters a bad name.


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From a complete outsiders point of view, one with friends from both sides of your house, what I’ve seen is an overwhelming majority of the VX pilots on this forum do almost nothing but complain about how awful Alaska is, and how the Alaska pilots are somehow weak yes men who’ve allowed “Angle Lake” to walk all over the pilots. It’s been very obvious to me that the Alaska pilots are simply becoming weary of the constant complaining and finger pointing from the VX pilots.

[QUOTE=OTZeagle1;2592059]If you have $1,800,000 of your net worth tied up in the stock of the company you work for, you’re an idiot. I hope, for your own sake, you’re just a liar.

And that’s what B6 does? B6 can more than afford to pay its pilots and looks like they finally will.

After B6 gets their contract, we'll be #6.

#6 with zero scope, junk work rules and no growth...so happy to be at Alaska[emoji849]

What's the word on this fleet meeting in Orange County? Let me guess, mainline frames being dropped for Skypest 175's?

Second hand info... they basically said the 321 is the best a/c in the fleet by far and they’d like to squeeze even more seats into it. Talks with Airbus and Boeing continuing, and those could lead anywhere, so keep standing by to stand by.

Was it a fiesta?

What fleet meeting?

The ‘fleetplan fiesta’ is what they called it. I think it was 2 days ago in SNA of all places

Fleetplan Fiesta? Are we getting a bunch of Ford's? May as well, nearly all their sedans are going away next year.

I'm still waiting to hear what this "big news" Mea was referring to... Alaska guys need some good news from what I've been hearing!

No, not in this quarter or next for that matter. But 4Q18 and 1Q19 could be rough.

Alaska Airlines standard plan for negotiation is to lose money going into negotiations. So, they will by whatever means necessary. And, as usual, we bumble along. 32.5% of us( undesirables, no degree, no pedigree, no legacy) will b!tch and use up sick-leave and do what we can to display our displeasure. The remaining 67.5%{desireables, degrees, pedigrees, legacy brats, military 2nd careerists} will either be wide-eyed in fear or take 2 predictable routes. The time value of money route or the “we need to help them because we are Losing Money route. Contract 2021.5 will pass minus any real benefit and the leadership will remind us that these were tough times to negotiate and we are fortunate that we did not go backwards....And we get to be based in PDX and SEA and our culture is worth it. Have watched it 3 1/2 times now in 19 yrs.....

What if you have a degree and “pedigree”, (whatever the hell that means) your automatically grouped in to the “undesirable” class? Just because you voice your displeasure? I love your optimism on 2021.5 though! I personally don’t think we’ll make it that long before another M&A.

Your saying that they will purposely loose money due to upcoming contract negotiations? A NYSE company, with BOD, and stockholders to answer to, will intentionally loose money to look financially challenged before labor negotiations?

Well, you can use QX as an example and what happened last summer. You don’t think they didn’t know what they were doing? Beef up an operation knowing you can’t staff it. Looked good on paper and projected earnings until they couldn’t staff the flying. You don’t think they knew that their pay and work rules were subpar?

Actually I do think they didnt know what they were doing.

QX used to be the destination regional. They may very well have been late in figuring out that it is no longer the case.

Remember when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRq0O4lnsKE

Yes. I believe that SWA's only unprofitable quarter/year was heading into negotiations.

You’re = you are

A public service message from a fellow pilot.

What about loose= not tight
Lose= not win or misplace

Those are misused all the time online though.

How about then and than. One looks like a complete moron when they can't get those right.

Then - Usually has to do with time. I was acquired by Alaska Airlines THEN I got a job at Delta.

Than - Comparing two things. Our pay rates are less THAN most other operators.

Than vs. then - Grammarist

Grammar lessons aside, can we please get back to Alaska's slowing growth?

Is this a Delta Air Lines thread.....or what? Quit being *****es.

[QUOTE=DangleDunlops;2595654]You’re = you are

A public service message from a fellow pilot.[/QUOTE

Pointed out by the guy who obviously got his lunch taken and a$$ kicked to many times growing up.
Thanks man....now pull your undies out your crack and go cry to mommy.

THIS!!!!!!

Why don’t we just talk about PBS, like every other thread.

[QUOTE=Bugaboo;2596341]to many times.

People keep saying another merger, but even then it would be 3 yrs before anyone can cross bid bases. 3 yrs is a long time in the industry, anything could change in that time period.

Apr 2016 announcement, Sept 2018 final list, first bid effective date ~March/April 2019 = 3 yrs to bid another airline's base after merger announcement.

Seriously, talk about killing moral.

You did that on purpose, right?

I once attended a 5th grade spelling bee where one of the contestants was read morale (by the principle who was the moderator), had a sentence with morale in it read to them, but when they spelled it as morale, the moderator said, "wrong it was supposed to be moral" at which point most of the audience gasped, but the bee administrators didn't even catch their own mistake.

You did that on purpose, right?

Sardonic humor?
:rolleyes:

You still have time to edit if you hurry....

Just read the Seattle Times article regarding AS’ slowing growth. Any truth to the extremely high failure rates at QX? One pilot is quoted as saying it’s as high as 70%! The company refutes this and says it’s in the high teens. If anywhere close to true, this would be shocking.

Classic reply. Love it.

And this one is even better.

Only a pilot would critique someone and make the same mistake within the critique. Hilarious.

After looking at the most recent fleet plan (posted on our company web site), it appears that the big story here could be the "regionalization" of Alaska's flying. In the mid-2000's Horizon operated 21 regional jets for Alaska. By the end of 2018, the combined total (between Horizon and SkyWest) will be 58. Management calls it "fleet optimization". Alaska pilots need to see this for what it is - outsourcing.

Disclaimer: I flunked spelling, and work at Alaska's red-headed stepchild.