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#141
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 68
The self defeatist attitude of the senior pilot is the lost cause here now. I hope that the new virgin blood coming in (who dont have a love affair with angle lake while trying to get a second floor job) outnumber everyone who thinks that a strike is impossible. Anybody at the MEC who thinks that a strike will never happen should be tossed on their a$$ right now. What am I paying for? Really? If no strike will be allowed then why do I need a union in the first place? I’d rather keep my 2%
Last edited by ASpilot0936; 07-14-2018 at 01:34 AM.
#142
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Not that they don't think this way, but that's a Frank Lorenzo quote. No Alaska CEO has ever said this to either the rank and file OR the Union.
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Representing the REAL Delta
Posts: 833
You are retired, just stop conveying the resignation and apathy. Guess what....the airlines above are just as likely to get released as well.
Delta produced a garbage contract in 2015 and we sent it back. Do you think Delta management gave us the contract we have now out of the goodness of their heart? They told us there was no more money on the table.
That was false.
The senior folks with the apathy need to display a little self respect. You guys are the reason Alaska pilots aren’t worth what Delta/American or United are. It’s not the Angle lake management team.
Last edited by cornbeef007; 07-14-2018 at 09:05 AM.
#144
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Precarious
Posts: 376
Every management team is the same. Why is it that Alaska is so far behind United/American and Delta?
You are retired, just stop conveying the resignation and apathy. Guess what....the airlines above are just as likely to get released as well.
Delta produced a garbage contract in 2015 and we sent it back. Do you think Delta management gave us the contract we have now out of the goodness of their heart? They told us there was no more money on the table.
That was false.
The senior folks with the apathy need to display a little self respect. You guys are the reason Alaska pilots aren’t worth what Delta/American or United are. It’s not the Angle lake management team.
You are retired, just stop conveying the resignation and apathy. Guess what....the airlines above are just as likely to get released as well.
Delta produced a garbage contract in 2015 and we sent it back. Do you think Delta management gave us the contract we have now out of the goodness of their heart? They told us there was no more money on the table.
That was false.
The senior folks with the apathy need to display a little self respect. You guys are the reason Alaska pilots aren’t worth what Delta/American or United are. It’s not the Angle lake management team.
I see a lot of the same tone on this thread now as well. If we can overwhelmingly reject the sales job like Delta pilots did, avoid arbitration like the plague, and all pull the same direction we will get similar results.
#145
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Representing the REAL Delta
Posts: 833
I remember the Delta ALPA sales job that was going on during 2015. I remember the video that was going around of the rep at a road show screaming himself hoarse about how PRB was the only possible outcome of a rejected contract. There was a lot of time value of money talk going on then as well. The Delta pilots saw through the crap and resoundingly rejected the subpar contract, and subpar union representation while they were at it. The results were more than worth the wait and effort.
I see a lot of the same tone on this thread now as well. If we can overwhelmingly reject the sales job like Delta pilots did, avoid arbitration like the plague, and all pull the same direction we will get similar results.
I see a lot of the same tone on this thread now as well. If we can overwhelmingly reject the sales job like Delta pilots did, avoid arbitration like the plague, and all pull the same direction we will get similar results.
You guys are in the exact same situation. The key is to convince the new guys that the senior guys are full of garbage, when they spout off about the management tactics. I saw this during the Delta negotiations and honestly it’s not that the senior guys are afraid of management. They just have theirs and want the money now.
All airline management is the same....good things come to those who wait.
Last edited by cornbeef007; 07-14-2018 at 01:07 PM.
#149
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
#150
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 667
So, in your opinion, what is so different about the Alaska Management-Union relationship compared to others like Delta?
What is the "secret sauce" that apparently allows them to best us at every turn?
I'm curious to understand this....
What is the "secret sauce" that apparently allows them to best us at every turn?
I'm curious to understand this....
Last edited by All Bizniz; 07-15-2018 at 08:35 AM.
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