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GaleHrd 11-04-2018 05:17 PM

https://www.gofundme.com/Paul-fight039s-back

symbian simian 11-04-2018 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2702972)
You go Paul. I hope you bury her and Alaska for ruining your career and causing you so much stress. Alaska HR has been out of control with all of the terminations lately. As for her, hopefully she gets to fly a cargo plane full of rubber dog poop for the rest of her career. What a royal !

The only reason the company got involved was because he was drunk and behaved inappropriately enough a fellow crew member called the company on a recorded line saying they didn’t feel safe to fly with him. When he talked to the company less than 8 hours before his check in he was drunk enough he didn’t know what time it was and for them to notice he was drunk. He admitted all of this and entered HIMS.
There is zero evidence he raped anybody but in his own testimony he could not remember getting to his hotel room.
What she did was unforgivable, but let’s not forget what he did either.

WHACKMASTER 11-04-2018 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2703032)
The only reason the company got involved was because he was drunk and behaved inappropriately enough a fellow crew member called the company on a recorded line saying they didn’t feel safe to fly with him. When he talked to the company less than 8 hours before his check in he was drunk enough he didn’t know what time it was and for them to notice he was drunk. He admitted all of this and entered HIMS.
There is zero evidence he raped anybody but in his own testimony he could not remember getting to his hotel room.
What she did was unforgivable, but let’s not forget what he did either.

Actually it sound like they BOTH got something slipped in their drinks while down and the bar.

symbian simian 11-04-2018 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2703037)
Actually it sound like they BOTH got something slipped in their drinks while down and the bar.

I’m definitely not a grassy-knoll-shooter person, but it seems odd that a 50 year old habitual drinker would not remember getting to his room after drinking for 3 hours (she seems to have a habit of forgetting what happened so no comment there). It just seems unlikely something like that would happen in a hotel bar in the Midwest...
I just hope the memory loss wasn’t convenient.

MarkThyme 11-04-2018 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2702796)
Did she get fired after the second incident or did she walk? How the heck did she get hired again with all this hanging over her head?

Because she's a she, which carries a lot of weight in an industry that trips all over itself to find diversity hires and signal its virtues, I'm guessing she was pointed toward the door and invited to exit. Termination would have had a good shot at making the news and continuing the PR nightmare for the company.

As for how she got hired again, when your company is in the position of hiring direct entry captains, you take what you can get. But I'd bet she's on a very short leash.

rickair7777 11-05-2018 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2702776)
Also the captain’s claim his cellphone was still on the wrong time zone after he missed a call is not very believable, the first thing every phone does when it reconnects is update to the local time.

Depends on where they actually were. If you're near (within a few miles) of a time zone line, phones may connect to a tower on the other side of the line and synch with the wrong time zone. A few towns used to be notorious for that, had to brief the crews to use the hotel alarm and not rely on the phone. The phones would sometimes even switch back and forth.

rickair7777 11-05-2018 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 2702805)
As far as her getting hired again, that was my question: how does anyone imagine that having her work for them would be a good idea?

You should see some of the folks the commuters are hiring these days ( one of the reasons I left). Apparently they don't have a choice.

galleycafe 11-05-2018 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2703189)
Depends on where they actually were. If you're near (within a few miles) of a time zone line, phones may connect to a tower on the other side of the line and synch with the wrong time zone. A few towns used to be notorious for that, had to brief the crews to use the hotel alarm and not rely on the phone. The phones would sometimes even switch back and forth.

Page, AZ. Ask me how I know.

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MySaabStory 11-05-2018 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2703189)
Depends on where they actually were. If you're near (within a few miles) of a time zone line, phones may connect to a tower on the other side of the line and synch with the wrong time zone. A few towns used to be notorious for that, had to brief the crews to use the hotel alarm and not rely on the phone. The phones would sometimes even switch back and forth.

True. I’ve had that happen before.

But that only accounts for a 1 hour time difference. Not 2.

symbian simian 11-05-2018 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2703189)
Depends on where they actually were. If you're near (within a few miles) of a time zone line, phones may connect to a tower on the other side of the line and synch with the wrong time zone. A few towns used to be notorious for that, had to brief the crews to use the hotel alarm and not rely on the phone. The phones would sometimes even switch back and forth.

First of all, I already retracted that based on screenshots from his phone, second, that’s not what happened here, as there was a 2 hour difference, this seemed to be the phone not updating to local time after a flight from a different time zone.


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