Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2865621)

You just listed a whole lotta things that stood in the way of getting/having better contracts. All of those road blocks are/were very real obstacles to our CBA. Why do you glaze over them as if it couldn’t happen again? Why do you scoff at anyone who admits those things happened before?

Had a DAL 330 CA in the jump the other day. He said their no vote 4 years ago was Delta’s first time EVER voting no on a contract. How many years did it take them to vote no on something? 70-80 years? Had we gotten our vote on the ‘17 CBA or for our original ‘18 section 6, maybe we too would have voted no for the first time, maybe not but don’t brush off the past as if we haven’t been severely impacted by it. Use it as a tool to learn from and become a more informed voter.

Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2865837)

I’m NOT brushing them off.... that’s why I said.... “I get it...” and then listed them..... there were three separate statements. A. Statement of a common cynical and defeatist attitude at AS. B. An acknowledgement of some of the possible reasons why that attitude is prevalent. C. A statement implying that cultural shifts that have occurred both within the pilot ranks at AS as well as exterior market forces in the industry have produced about as good an opportunity for success as one could want.

But..... “they’ll never give us THAT....” or “.... THAT’ll never happen...”.... THAT, if it’s prevalent enough, (and you can bet your sweet a$$, the company wants you to believe that), will absolutely ensure failure.

Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 2865813)

And again you'd be wrong. United has such a transparent reserve system, that pilots can be "strategic" when they commute in for their reserves.

Delta has so much flexibility that you can drop the days you need and pick up premium later in the month.

Educate yourself on what's available out there before you spout off blanket statements. And if you're one of those who are willingly unable to fight for positive changes at this company, then quit.

Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2865621)

. How many years did it take them to vote no on something? 70-80 years?

Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2865864)

Delta hasn't been in ALPA that long.

Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 2865848)

Well then my apologies. I read it as sarcasm.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2865863)

Why is it the angry crowd telling others to go quit?

Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 2865813)

United has such a transparent reserve system, that pilots can be "strategic" when they commute in for their reserves.

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2866062)

No kidding, right?!

I looked at his post history, and this person literally has not ONE friendly or even polite post going back at least two years. Each one is anger filled. Each one.

I’ve never understood the perpetually angry types. Too exhausting to be angry for long.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2866949)

I get it for VX commuters who got bought and yanked out of their happy place. But they should have moved on by now rather than wallowing in it. Of course if they're over age 55, they're probably stuck wallowing.