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Too honest for most
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036017)
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! Apparently you're just uneducated enough and just douchebag enough to fit right in up there. (And you're not as anonymous as you think. ) |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036017)
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036017)
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! Wow J.D. you sure do have a real grasp on everything. Why don’t you the pilot group and the union a favor and run for an elected position?? I know us dumb unedumacated line pilots could really use some “A-Team” representation. Do you show up in a van with theme music too? |
Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 3036098)
Wow XXXX
you sure do have a real grasp on everything. Why don’t you the pilot group and the union a favor and run for an elected position?? I know us dumb unedumacated line pilots could really use some “A-Team” representation. Do you show up in a van with theme music too? |
Originally Posted by copy
(Post 3036163)
How is doxxing on this site allowed?
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Bye.......
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Too*. just saying, maybe Mr. A team needs to go back to school.
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036017)
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036017)
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! |
By the way... it’s “too honest...”. 🤣🤣
Bye Felicia.... [img]blob:https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/4b10a43c-b2e6-4d3c-a2d9-68769fe88601[/img] |
Ration that Bourbon son...this ain’t over.
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Originally Posted by copy
(Post 3036163)
How is doxxing on this site allowed?
I was on speech-to-text in my car so it probably picked up the radio. What I WOULD like to know is if people like OTZ and MEA claim they are only trying to help the pilots, if they do truly know this inside information, why haven’t they ever let any of their union members know what they know?? Or are they more interested in protecting management and the fake web board persona than the relationship with their fellow pilots? |
Originally Posted by flyboy8784
(Post 3036653)
What i would like to know is if people like otz and mea claim they are only trying to help the pilots, if they do truly know this inside information, why haven’t they ever let any of their union members know what they know?? Or are they more interested in protecting management and the fake web board persona than the relationship with their fellow pilots?
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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 3036653)
Cool your jets..... it was supposed to just be “wow....”
I was on speech-to-text in my car so it probably picked up the radio. What I WOULD like to know is if people like OTZ and MEA claim they are only trying to help the pilots, if they do truly know this inside information, why haven’t they ever let any of their union members know what they know?? Or are they more interested in protecting management and the fake web board persona than the relationship with their fellow pilots? If you are on the bubble, or below, you would be well advised to keep plan B lined up and even accept a job that my help ride this out, and that goes for every airline company. Read the ALPA news feed, there isn't an airline in the WORLD that hasn't either furloughed or announced furloughs. Our govt poured some money on to the situation to halt the bad news, but unless this virus changes course quickly, even the US aviation industry will join the rest. Best of luck to all of us! |
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
(Post 3036369)
Ration that Bourbon son...this ain’t over.
Whiskey and Alaska Airlines, so many memories. I can’t help to think of our current scheduling committee chairs daddy. What I would pay for one more trip with that man. Instead, I am here, the pre-school playground, arguing with clueless toddlers. Come get me big fella, I will always be rationing good Whiskey! |
Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 3036653)
Cool your jets..... it was supposed to just be “wow....”
I was on speech-to-text in my car so it probably picked up the radio. What I WOULD like to know is if people like OTZ and MEA claim they are only trying to help the pilots, if they do truly know this inside information, why haven’t they ever let any of their union members know what they know?? Or are they more interested in protecting management and the fake web board persona than the relationship with their fellow pilots? |
Made it less than one day, I see.
Your word is as worthless as everyone else's up there. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 3036653)
What I WOULD like to know is if people like OTZ and MEA claim they are only trying to help the pilots, if they do truly know this inside information, why haven’t they ever let any of their union members know what they know?? Or are they more interested in protecting management and the fake web board persona than the relationship with their fellow pilots?
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Originally Posted by ZINTKAZ
(Post 3036719)
MAYBE.....one of them was heavily involved in LEC/MEC leadership. MAYBE.......the other has the inside scoop from the union leadership. The current union leadership is well aware of a shi$load of info good and bad. They have the power to meter that info out as they please to the membership. MAYBE.....leaking info that the union hasn’t decided to disseminate to members due to pending research on accuracy on a public web forum is undermining the LEC/MEC. You be the judge. Some of their spewed info has proven to be accurate. I am not a fan of either OTZ/MEA posts or implied personas.
I'd be more inclined to believe one of them is dating a VP's secretary or somethng. |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036706)
....... I, on the other hand, consistently walked out with the prettiest girl in the room!
“Well ya know Jim, what can I say? I pretty much just get up every morning and I pi$$ excellence. Just one great big hairy American winning machine!” “ |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3036726)
Management is giving info to the union, and then the union is withholding it? (sometimes there's a reason, NDA)
I'd be more inclined to believe one of them is dating a VP's secretary or somethng. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3036726)
Management is giving info to the union, and then the union is withholding it? (sometimes there's a reason, NDA)
I'd be more inclined to believe one of them is dating a VP's secretary or somethng. |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036706)
In college my nickname was “Top Shelf”. While everyone else was chucking back as much Old Crow as they could find, I was sipping on one shot of Blue Label, all I could afford. When the bar closed they mostly stumbled out, trying to find their cars. I, on the other hand, consistently walked out with the prettiest girl in the room. Theirs was an addiction to a cheap buzz, mine a passion for beauty.
Whiskey and Alaska Airlines, so many memories. I can’t help to think of our current scheduling committee chairs daddy. What I would pay for one more trip with that man. Instead, I am here, the pre-school playground, arguing with clueless toddlers. Come get me big fella, I will always be rationing good Whiskey! Narcissistic personality disorder
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
(Post 3036786)
Narcissistic personality disorder
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Originally Posted by CaptTrashy
(Post 3036815)
I think you are talking about almost every pilot on the planet. Simple fix ladies...if you don’t like them go and ignore them. I actually enjoy OTZ and MEA's posts, and the subsequent crap they endure from the rest of y’all. Though right now gloomy, for the most part been pretty close over all. I hope they are wrong, but can’t see how they are at this point.
I appreciate their posts too, but, gotta say only a handful over the years stood out with THAT description. |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3036017)
Knowledge is power, and I know that was M’s purpose for getting on here. Shoot down silly rumors and be transparent with the pilot group. It was something he had the ability to do because of circumstance. I lurked for a longtime and finally stepped in mainly out of respect for my friend. I was tired of the barrage of personal attacks he was taking, not on merit, but only because the angry VX mob didn’t want what he said to be true. M’s accuracy is undeniable and I think that made many hate him even more. I would argue he has yet to be wrong. Listen to NP in the last company video... we were going single fleet two different times and events altered our ability. The 120, came from M.
Maybe I am a little snarky but honestly that was my purpose. I was so tired of all the arrogance and anger from the VX kindergarten class. I hated this merger, I am honest enough to recognize I am probably still blinded by that. The beauty of an anonymous board is you can really write what you think without fear of getting in trouble. You can leak here what you could no where else. This post will probably get deleted quickly because it is too honest and not PC enough. I think M is done here and so am I, so I don’t care. Here is my non PC golden nugget to everyone at AS. This union tends to lose because we are way too PC, we field A,B, and C team players and then arrogantly go play against a team with all A’s. We lose cause we don’t field our best team. SFO and LAX’s LEC are all C’s. Arrogance, anger, loud and obnoxiousness are not qualities of a winning team. Surely there are more skilled players in the shadows. SEA LEC block 5 is just angry, 4 is a good dude, big heart, 6 is the worst kind, thinks he is smart, doesn’t realize he is not and masks with arrogance, 10 ok really. MEC.. W-not a leader but a good guy, J-fun but the wrong guy, G-Maybe the best human being I have met, probably the best leader at the whole company... why is he not the president? S-enough hot air to fly a giant hot air balloon, enough common sense to leave it untethered, NC team... C-smart, really smart... I would put him in the class of, Alaska’s SLI chair BS and M... these dude’s should be negotiating. R- how does that happen, D-good dude smart. If I were in the bottom 400, I would demand my union field the A-team now! https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I don't get it. He keeps saying his goodbyes, but he keeps coming back to brag about his life.
Anyone who has to tell you how rich or how well liked he is, usually has little of both. Peace OTZ. Your contributions to this website will not be missed. |
Originally Posted by WutFace
(Post 3036918)
I don't get it. He keeps saying his goodbyes, but he keeps coming back to brag about his life.
Anyone who has to tell you how rich or how well liked he is, usually has little of both. Peace OTZ. Your contributions to this website will not be missed. And people who have supposedly accumulated multi million dollars worth of wealth don't waste their time on message boards trying to troll people. |
I once met someone so poor that all they had was money...
If OTZ/MEA truly wanted to help us they would keep our union leadership informed and stay off here. |
Lol, honestly, listen to yourselves. These two guys are laughing their ass’s off at how personally you're taking their musings. I would.
personally, i find it hilarious that almost all of you care so much about what these two folks write. OTZ, in particular is trolling you guys hard, and you’re playing into his game. |
Originally Posted by Wings907
(Post 3037154)
I once met someone so poor that all they had was money...
If OTZ/MEA truly wanted to help us they would keep our union leadership informed and stay off here. Then one day, boom, out of nowhere, the company (with adequate surprise/regret email from union) will drop the bomb of how displacements and furloughs will start almost immediately. If OTZ/MEA's information is possibly helping people prepare for that event, then let them take heed. If you don't believe what they say is accurate, then ignore and wait for the upgrade time discussion posts to reappear. |
Originally Posted by full of luv
(Post 3037247)
peeps that have been through this kind of time before will tell you that traditionally the company and/or union will tell you either nothing or outright positive falsehoods to keep the operation (what little of it's going on) as dependable as possible.
Then one day, boom, out of nowhere, the company (with adequate surprise/regret email from union) will drop the bomb of how displacements and furloughs will start almost immediately. If otz/mea's information is possibly helping people prepare for that event, then let them take heed. If you don't believe what they say is accurate, then ignore and wait for the upgrade time discussion posts to reappear. |
Yeah, they don't have enough knowledge of the evolving situation yet to know exactly how bad it's going to be, but it's pretty obvious all the majors will shrinking (some probably more than others). If you're junior better plan accordingly.
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One would hope that most pilots understand the ramifications of parking most of the fleet. Fall furloughs are likely. No inside information is needed to see that. Alaska Airlines has always run with minimum staffing. The head shed is saying 25 to 30 % smaller starting this fall. 10-12% of that number will be blunted by Retirements and long term leaves. No inside information needed to figure that.
M&O are good at whipping people up. That could help with pilot myopia but is not necessary. The only part of their insider info that is useful relates to the move towards single fleet. It will bring it’s own mini-furlough with additional permanent staffing reductions due to increased efficiency in reserve levels. We went through that when the MD-80/737-200 fleets went away. The rest of the narrative is just a couple of pilots going on about nothing.... |
Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 3037299)
One would hope that most pilots understand the ramifications of parking most of the fleet. Fall furloughs are likely. No inside information is needed to see that. Alaska Airlines has always run with minimum staffing. The head shed is saying 25 to 30 % smaller starting this fall. 10-12% of that number will be blunted by Retirements and long term leaves. No inside information needed to figure that.
M&O are good at whipping people up. That could help with pilot myopia but is not necessary. The only part of their insider info that is useful relates to the move towards single fleet. It will bring it’s own mini-furlough with additional permanent staffing reductions due to increased efficiency in reserve levels. We went through that when the MD-80/737-200 fleets went away. The rest of the narrative is just a couple of pilots going on about nothing.... |
Single fleet will reduce head count in a time of no growth. Even with a one for one swap. That effect will just be built in to the larger Covid Pandemonium reduction. M&O have access to that formulation. If they choose to share it.
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 3037358)
Single fleet will reduce head count in a time of no growth. Even with a one for one swap. That effect will just be built in to the larger Covid Pandemonium reduction. M&O have access to that formulation. If they choose to share it.
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 3037358)
Single fleet will reduce head count in a time of no growth. Even with a one for one swap. That effect will just be built in to the larger Covid Pandemonium reduction. M&O have access to that formulation. If they choose to share it.
Is that just due to training and reserves on a single fleet? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by NewGuy01
(Post 3037362)
Is that just due to training and reserves on a single fleet?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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